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Hack-A-Whoever Strategy

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by Yodels, Apr 10, 2015.

  1. nemac

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    Harden started his shooting motion. The announcers are like "it hasn't left his hand yet". But if Harden himself had gotten fouled in that instant, that's 3 shots. Should be the same with off the ball fouls. And yea, not only is the hack-a strategy slowing the game, they combined it with a review. Double whammy. Woop woop
     
  2. J.R.

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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NBA announces tweak to Hack-Shack rule. Rule used in final 2 mins of gms -- the ball and 1 ft -- now applies to last 2 mins of each quarter.</p>&mdash; Jonathan Feigen (@Jonathan_Feigen) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jonathan_Feigen/status/753020268625338368">July 13, 2016</a></blockquote>
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    [rQUOTEr]Statement from NBA executive VP of basketball operations Kiki VanDeWeghe:

    "In looking at the data and numerous potential solutions to combat the large increase in deliberate away-from-the-play foul situations, we believe these steps offer the most measured approach. The introduction of these new rules is designed to curb the increase in such fouls without eliminating the strategy entirely."[/rQUOTEr]

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  3. shastarocket

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    Obviously won't be enough
     
  4. Mutombo

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    Capela still needs to improve to at least 65 percent on his FTs...
     
  5. NewRoxFan

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    So hacka fouls are bad, but not so bad for 40 minutes of the game. Expect continued hacking... and players like Capela will have to sit.
     
  6. francis 4 prez

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    how will the rule apply when mercury is in retrodgrade and while the rock 'n jock 10 point basket is in play?




    what kind of stupid fix is this? i mean it will help because one way people started using it was to gain extra possessions at the ends of quarters, but why not just apply it to the whole game? sure, teams need to be in the penalty and aren't likely to get in the penalty quickly enough to use it much before the 2 minute mark, but it still gets used in the 4th quarter plenty of the time and they didn't change it. so what was the point?

    i guess they were just looking at reducing it but not allowing bad free throw shooters to go unpunished. though as jvg points out, no other league in the world allows it so why is it so crazy to not allow fouling to be a great defensive strategy in the nba (not that the nba should just adopt all international rules)? and to paraphrase jvg again, we say that bad free throw shooters shouldn't get away without having talent, and yet we act like fouling people without the ball is some sort of defensive talent.


    this does lead to a strategy i've thought of. i don't know why teams don't play their "hack-a" players more at the beginnings of quarters before the team is in the penalty. play the guy 6 minutes and if the other team isn't in the penalty you can stretch it to 8 or 10 minutes and if they are in the penalty, then you can now get them back in at the 2 minutes mark in every quarter. teams could only use the strategy on purpose if they commit to committing a bunch of fouls early in quarter, in which case you could just take the guy out after now having set yourself up to get a ton of free throws from the penalty.
     
  7. J.R.

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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Silver calls the hack-a-Shaq rule change a “compromise”: &quot;It was not everything some people were looking to do.&quot;</p>&mdash; Fred Katz (@FredKatz) <a href="https://twitter.com/FredKatz/status/753035507639001088">July 13, 2016</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mark Cuban told ESPN he voted against new deliberate foul rules. &quot;Rewarding incompetence is never a good business strategy,&quot; he said.</p>&mdash; Tim MacMahon (@espn_macmahon) <a href="https://twitter.com/espn_macmahon/status/753036822524022784">July 13, 2016</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;We'll reduce roughly 45% of the incidents.&quot; -- NBA commissioner Adam Silver on projections of how much Hack-a-Shaq rule changes will help</p>&mdash; Ben Golliver (@BenGolliver) <a href="https://twitter.com/BenGolliver/status/753041262870089728">July 13, 2016</a></blockquote>
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  8. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

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    Cubes, you "reward incompetence" every time you put someone in the game who can't dribble or shoot a 15-footer. Only the rules of the game allow you to shield that player from displaying this incompetence.

    The compromise is asinine but hopefully just a baby step toward eliminating the practice.

    Like the referees need one more thing to remember. D'oh! That foul happened at exactly 2:00:01!
     
  9. NewRoxFan

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    So, the league has stats that show 45% of the hacka fouls happen in the last two minutes of the first three quarters? Do that think we're dumb??
     
  10. SamFisher

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    Many, many moons ago, Cuban was rewarded, handsomely, by Yahoo in one of it's most incompetent acquisitions and integrations ever. He's been failing upwards ever since, as our society is wont to do once a certain stratum has been breeched. .

    Instead of capitalizing on this asymmetry, though, as the young Cuban would have done, like maybe acquiring Dwight Howard or DeAndre Jordan, the fat, rich old Cuban rails with indignation about how unfair the world is treating him.

    Screw you, loser, and screw the hack-a, and screw Greg Hack-avich now and forever.
     
  11. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    Just make that the rule for ANY foul off the ball - enforce the INTENTIONAL foul rule as written...

    DD
     
  12. BackdoorHarden

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    Take away 3 pg shooting is next because not everyone can shoot 3's.

    That makes it fair for guys that can't shoot and don't bother to learn how to shoot(TALKING TO YOU DWIGHT)
     
  13. BackdoorHarden

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    Would Karl Malone and Tim Duncan have turned themself from a 60% FT Shooter into almost 80% FT shooter if they knew they didn't have to learn now to shoot FT?
     
  14. NewRoxFan

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    Teams didn't deploy off the ball intentional fouls anywhere near as often back then.
     
  15. SamFisher

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    Good lord, shut the **** up.

    It's not a morality play.

    It's entertainment.

    If you don't like it - don't watch it, nobody will care.
     
  16. Duncan McDonuts

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    They do tend to occur later in the quarter once the defending team has accumulated 5 team fouls. But I don't see this rule change affecting much. It's still going to happen, but now coaches can sub in their poor FT to close the quarter.
     
  17. Space Ghost

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    At least we agree on ball issues.

    This is an extremely fair compromise. I think the +1 ft is a bit much and unneeded. I dont mind intentional fouling as a strategy, I was against punishing the weakest FT shooter on the floor.

    Now its a hefty punishment for an unintentional off the ball foul. The two biggest issues I see now are that the defense will be more cautious than ever in the final two minutes (not that anyone plays defense anymore) and this allows the refs to better control (abuse their power) the game in their favor.
     
  18. thejav

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    STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION
     
  19. NewRoxFan

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    Except those times when teams would intentionally foul numerous times to get to five team fouls. Which happens frequently...
     
  20. UTAllTheWay

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    You know what else isn't a good business strategy?

    Hack-a-Shaq

    Everytime it happens I have to seriously fight the urge to turn the game off.
     

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