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Hack-A-Whoever Strategy

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by Yodels, Apr 10, 2015.

  1. Pen15clubber

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    All I got out of that paragraph about "the integrity of the game" is bbhollic is older than I thought
     
  2. KingCheetah

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    Player A if you would just take more 3 point reps during practice and hire a shooting specialist you could move your shooting percentage from long range from .08% to 40%. And Player B if you would just wear The Jimmy's vertical increase training shoes and hire a jumping specialist your days of settling for layups instead of highlight reel dunks would be over.
     
  3. OTMax

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    How can they use Capela's out of bounds foul as an example??? Fouling before inbounding is two foul shots + possession if the referees had applied the rules. That was not a loophole, it was a huge mistake by the referees!!
     
  4. ln3012

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    it's the exact opposite. only players who can't make freethrows were being targeted. Harden can't bring up the ball, point at the worst player on defense, and make that player guard him. that's the equivalent of the hack-a-strategy. Or the defense getting to choose the worst ball handler on the opposing team, and making him bring up the ball. the question is why were we giving preferential treatment to the bad defenders, bad passers, bad ball handlers, etc. but targeting only bad ft shooters.
     
  5. ln3012

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    let's also not forget that when the player does indeed have the ball in his hands, you can always foul him and send him to the line. saying these players have no incentive to practice freethrows now makes no sense. when in the bonus, you can take a player completely out of the offense by fouling him when he gets the ball. that's BASKETBALL and that's the extent of what the rule should be.
     
  6. SamFisher

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    A bad day for those who cited the league's inertia as proof of the hack'a's merit and desirability.
     
  7. justtxyank

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    I agree. Instead of banning intentional fouling to force bad FT shooters to shoot FTs (we don't want to reward them) we should ADD a rule that allows the opposing coach to pick a player on the other team to bring the ball up the court, choose which players on the other team are allowed to go for a rebound, choose a player on the other team who has to shoot a 3 pointer on a given possession, etc.

    Fouls were designed to protect players and to stop teams from just disrupting a game by not letting the other team "play" basketball. They are supposed to have a penalty. A team should not be able to get a reward for breaking the rules. And let's be clear, a foul is called because a player has broken the rules.
     
  8. ROXTXIA

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    http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14719848/adam-silver-says-changes-needed-hack-player-rule

    Adam Silver says changes needed to 'hack-a-player' rule

    NBA commissioner Adam Silver, a little more than three months after saying that rules regarding the "hack-a-player" strategy were unlikely to change, has changed his mind.

    "I'm increasingly of the view that we will be looking to make some sort of change in that rule this summer," Silver told USA Today Sports. "Even for those who had not wanted to make the change, we're being forced to that position just based on these sophisticated coaches understandably using every tactic available to them. It's just not the way we want to see the game played."

    Silver told ESPN in October that he was "conflicted" on the issue because he sees both sides of the argument about whether the league should do more to try to prevent teams from intentionally fouling poor free throw shooters.

    In October, Silver put the onus on players being fouled to get better at fundamentals, saying "a guy's got to be able to make his free throws." Now, however, as coaches have increasingly employed the strategy this season, Silver has heard enough public outcry to take a side.

    "As I travel around the league, there's that one school of thought [that] 'guys have got to make their free throws,'" Silver told USA Today. "But then at the end of the day, we are an entertainment property, and it's clear that when you're in the arena, that fans are looking at me, shrugging their shoulders with that look saying, 'Aren't you going to do something about this?'"

    Opposing players continue to intentionally foul Andre Drummond this season. The Pistons center is averaging 7.8 free throw attempts per game and is shooting only 35.1 percent from the line. AP Photo/Paul Sancya

    The majority of the "hack-a-player" fouls have been committed against the Clippers' DeAndre Jordan, the Pistons' Andre Drummond and the Rockets' Dwight Howard. According to USA Today, of the nearly 300 intentional fouls in the NBA this season, 69 percent have been committed against those three players.

    Drummond, for instance, was intentionally fouled 21 times and set an NBA record when he missed 23 free throws -- out of 36 attempts -- in a victory against the Rockets on Jan. 21. A week later, the Sixers' Nerlens Noel hopped on Drummond's back -- piggyback style -- during a teammate's free throw attempt. The Clippers' J.J. Redick also jumped on Drummond's back earlier this season.

    "Clearly that's not a natural basketball move," Silver told USA Today. "That's something that, in my view, we need to address quickly because ultimately there's nothing more important than the health and safety of our players. Again, I think that's an accident waiting to happen with guys jumping on each other's shoulders just trying to attract officials' attention to call a foul."
     
  9. heypartner

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    ^^ Why does the NBA always say "we'll discuss it this summer," when the NFL makes rules-changes during the season all the time.
     
  10. YOLO

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    just curious but what significant rule changes to actual game strategy has the NFL made all the time?
     
  11. ChievousFTFace

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    My response to everybody that says that players need to learn to shoot free throws...

    Learn how to get stops on defense!

    This will definitely increase the watchability of our games.
     
  12. J.R.

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    LeBron James not in favor of doing away with hack-a-Shaq. Says it's no different from pressuring someone who can't dribble. Onus on player. — @ChrisBHaynes
     
  13. ROXTXIA

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    Last post-season Adam Silver was saying in interviews how all of this hack-a-whomever came down to basically two guys, and if players would learn to shoot free throws etc etc.

    At that time I wanted to ask him if I could, "Who got to you? Cuban? Buford?"

    Because Iago had clearly been whispering in Othello's ear.

    I knew he'd start to change his mind. In fact, you can't help but wonder if the Hack-a-Drummond that we instituted (I thought this during the game) had a two-fold strategy: win the game (we didn't) and give the Commissioner some ammunition to bring up this debate again (TBD, stay tuned).
     
  14. SamFisher

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    Does LeBron watch basketball?

    What about these experiences is "no different"

    1. Player dribbles ball,
    2. LeBron closely guards a player
    3. The player passes/shoots/turns it over/whatever
    4. play continues


    1. Player passes ball inbounds.
    2. A man 40 feet away is hugged in order to deliberately stop the play
    3. Official blows the whistle.
    4. Everybody stops and starts walking around
    5. Everyone gathers at the free throw line
    6. Everyone stands around and watches a man deliberately hugged take a practice shot
    7. Different men may or may not come onto the floor. Possibly, music starts playing and everybody sits down. Remote viewers may be asked to purchase hamburgers or automobiles for approximately 2 minutes.
    8. Everybody walks back and stands, watching the man deliberately hugged take another practice shot.
    9. play continues

    no different? I can identify many key points of difference. Your move, professor LeBron.

    Onus is not on the player, onus is on the league to eliminate this garbage sequence outlined above, like they have in the past with Wilt.
     
  15. heypartner

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    for those saying you are for allowing the Hack a Shaq strategy....I guess that means you want the foul and ball out if bounds rule eradicated in the final two minutes, too, right?
     
  16. ths balla

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    so we want to change a rule that is only impactful when playing 3 teams? Rockets/Clippers/Pistons?
     
  17. mac2yao

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    That just means free throwing isn't a particularly important skill, if it doesn't come up much outside of a gimmick tactic. Bad free throw shooters would be punished in accordance with how important shooting free throws is (i.e. how often it matters).
     
  18. superfob

    superfob Mommy WOW! I'm a Big Kid now.

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    Lose ball foul by the "offense" off a free throw attempt seems like the most obvious need for change. It circumvents the under 2 minute intentional foul rule.

    I don't think the NBA will completely eliminate the current hack-a-strategy.
     
  19. zeeshan2

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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Silver: &quot;We had more (Hack-a-Shaq) incidents by mid-December this (season) than we had the entire last season.&quot; <a href="https://t.co/s7IWs3FGP0">https://t.co/s7IWs3FGP0</a></p>&mdash; Sam Amick (@sam_amick) <a href="https://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/695682823122866180">February 5, 2016</a></blockquote>
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  20. ln3012

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    yup. and you can't force a player who can't dribble to dribble. so in reality, it's actually completely different lol
     

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