I can't believe that we have come to justify the use of lethal force for being punched. I think there is an appropriateness need for force. We're seeing too many cases where one group goes out looking for trouble or instigating and when the other side puts up a non-lethal fight, the other side uses it as a pretext for lethal force.
Wearing a ski mask and a bulletproof vest while carrying a concealed handgun to a civil rights protest is not illegal.
I can't believe that you struggle with basic concepts of the law like self-defense. Did the mob have to beat one of them to death in order for you to think using non-lethal force in self-defense was appropriate? Also it's kind of funny that you assume they were "out looking for trouble" when there isn't really any evidence of that. Sure the BLM people racially profiled them and made an assumption that they were "out for trouble", but I certainly haven't seen anything that would justify that assumption. Well it was pretty clearly necessary. One should take precautions when in close proximity to an event set up by any racist group if you are potentially their target. I think the actions of the group speak for themselves.
Oh, they were protesting WITH the BLM folks who were the actual racists and instigators! So wise you are!
No, they were just near them...which is enough to get attacked apparently. We've already been over the fact that the people behind BLM, the leaders that started the whole thing and those who continue to organize the events, are racists and have previous memberships with racist organizations. It's been spelled out to you, and at one point I'm pretty sure you even conceded the point, but I guess that was too long ago and you've forgotten already. The BLM nonsense is just the next generation of Black Panthers which as we know is nothing more than a violent racist organization just like any other. If it was an organization founded by former KKK members that surrounded two dark skinned individuals and attacked them simply for them being there I'm guessing you'd have a different opinion of things....you probably wouldn't be saying that they were "up to no good" simply for being near the demonstration.
Really? http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/whi...otesting-jamar-clarks-killing-in-minneapolis/ I mean...they show up in bullet proof vests, you think they were just there to hang out? http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/ema...lives-matters-activists-days-before-shooting/
A sucker punch to the face from a larger group does not sound threatening to you? You're a braver man than I am. I'm glad that you agree that law abiding citizens shouldn't be profiled for the way they look and dress.
Not enough to go postal and start shooting up everyone. I've been punched in the face before. I didn't have a gun on me. If I did, I still wouldn't have pulled it out and started firing.
Definitely not. There's nothing suspicious or threatening about that behavior, well, until they started shooting people. You guys are hilarious.
Still a bad reading. I thought it read as "shooting 16 rounds in any configuration is mandatory". I guess that was just some more BS you made up. It should read as, "the more bullets you give cops, the more bullets cops will fire in a shootout - scientist man"
i feel like you have nothing better to do with your life than reply to my original post here about the cop shooting the kid again after he was already lying dead on the ground and then proceed to whirlwind the both of us on this fantastic semantics voyage all because your white van got repossessed and now you try to act out and fill that void of driving people nowhere in circles here in the D&D
I can see how you would feel that way as you constantly misconstrue and then add your own imaginative ideas on to people's posts. I think if you read a star trek novel, then just rewrote what was in it, we could get a completely original script (unrelated to the novel) that is superior to the two recent movies. Please get on that.
Sure My OP: You first interpretation: Your second interpretation of the same post (lol) They don't even match each other much less what I posted. I'm serious about star trek though.
I've been very busy with work but have been following the story through the news. I've also heard some reports from people who were there so here is my understanding from Minnesota. These protests had been going on for about a week and had been very tense. Many have described the situation as basically the 4th precinct being under siege with the MPD using chemical irritants and marker tags against protesters and protesters attempting to block off access to and out of the precinct. There had been violent protesters who had thrown bricks and other items at MPD. Some of these people the main protest group had said wasn't part of their group and even helped to turn those people in. Also this wasn't the first time that shots had been reported around the protests. Leading up to the shooting there was a lot of chatter from White Supremacist groups calling on people to deliberately disrupt the protest. People like the ones who were escorted from the protest had been seen before. Whether these were the same people or people dressed and acting similar I don't know and probably noone does for sure. Among many of the protesters there was a fear that White supremacists and other groups would actually attack the protesters. The incident itself still has some unknowns. It is clear that four individuals with three dressed in ski masks were there filming and were asked to leave, when they refused several other protesters showed up to escort them out. At some point a scuffle broke out (it is not clear who threw a punch or how violent this was) here things become more confused. Some reports say that the four individuals ran and were chased with one of them turning around and shooting wildly some say that at the outskirts of the protest when the people walking with them out turned around the shooting began. These individual fled with two suspects being arrested by LE the next day. Just heard on the news that the third masked suspect was arrested and that all three are white. At the moment I'm not drawing any conclusion about what exactly happened as I think more evidence and conflicting accounts need to be resolved. A few key points though need to be emphasized. 1. The protest already was very tense. 2. There was a lot of inflammatory rhetoric being thrown about on social media by people both for and against the protest. 3. There were groups who had called for disruption and even violence towards the protest. 4. Either these same individuals or individuals dressed and acting the same had been seen before at the protest. 5. While the weather was cold that night it wasn't cold by Minnesota standards. Wearing a ski mask isn't that common when the temps are in the 30's or upper 20's as it was that night. For anyone who hasn't worn a ski mask it actually isn't that comfortable and is less about the temperature and more about stopping the wind. The most I can confidently say is that yes the people who showed up to film were both literally and figuratively looking for trouble. They came armed expecting trouble. To what extent they provoked it that is not clear at all. For the BLM protest it is also clear that they handled this very poorly and one problem is that there have been individuals on the BLM side who have engaged in violence even though the main group has said they are not. The BLM group though doesn't seem able to contain or control those who have done things like throw bricks. There very well may be grounds for self-defense argument but without more evidence about the scuffle itself that is not clear. There also may be evidence for a self-defense argument from the protesters too since there is evidence that other groups had called to disrupt the protests and that these individuals showed up armed. If it is shown that they initiated the scuffle a grounds for self-defense on the part of the three who shot probably won't hold. One good thing that has come out of this incidence though is rather than inflaming tensions it seems to have defused somethings as Jamar Clark's family has called for protest to end and both the BLM group and MPD have backed down.
