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Gov. Abbott keeping Texas safe from ISIS

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Carl Herrera, Nov 16, 2015.

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  1. Cold Hard

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    If ISIS terrorists (that aren't already here) really want to gain entry into the United States, then it is very likely that they find ways to successfully do so. Regardless of whether we accept Syrian refugees or not.

    It's that simple, IMO.

    As for these governors who oppose refugee settlement, all they're trying to do is score political points.
     
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  2. Major

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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/applying-refugee-status-is-hard_564bbf8ce4b045bf3df1a043


    It's much easier for a would-be terrorist to fly to the U.S. on a tourist visa.



    After a series of attacks in Paris by the Islamic State group killed 129 people on Friday, several prominent Republican politicians called for the U.S. to stop taking in refugees from Syria, arguing that authorities might unwittingly allow terrorists to enter the country.

    Despite the traction those arguments have gained, it makes little sense for an aspiring terrorist to apply to enter the United States as a refugee. Passing through the process often takes at least 18 months, and sometimes much longer. Applicants must pass background checks involving several U.S. government agencies, and many applicants are rejected. Overall, refugees are unlikely to be resettled at all -- the UN Refugee Agency says that only about 1 percent of the world's refugees end up being taken in permanently elsewhere.

    Stephen Legomsky, a professor at Washington University in St. Louis and former chief counsel for U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, said in a news release that all these factors make it very unlikely that members of the Islamic State group planning to attack the U.S. would apply as refugees.

    “[Refugees] are personally interviewed and thorough background checks are performed by Homeland Security and the FBI,” Legomsky said. “No competent terrorist would choose the U.S. refugee process as a preferred strategy for gaining entry into the U.S.”

    Much of the concern about possibly admitting terrorists as refugees stems from the fact that one of the Paris attackers was found holding a Syrian passport that had been stamped at a Greek port of entry -- indicating that he’d traveled to Europe as part of the wave of hundreds of thousands of other migrants seeking refuge in Europe from violence in the Middle East and South Asia. But French authorities said Monday that the passport was forged, making it unclear whether the man, identified as Ahmad al-Mohammad, posed as a migrant to enter Europe or carried the faked passport to confuse authorities.

    Whatever the case, the notion that admitting refugees increases the risk of terrorism rests on shaky foundations. The attackers who have been identified so far were from either France or Belgium, not Syria.

    And if they had wanted to come to the United States, they wouldn't have had to do much more than buy a plane ticket. Only two of them would have been flagged by French authorities, according to CNN. Those who didn’t appear on European security watch lists and who held passports from countries included in the visa waiver program would have traveled straight to the U.S., like any other tourist. ISIS isn't short on fighters with European passports, either -- U.S. intelligence officials estimated earlier this year that 3,400 foreign fighters had joined the group from Western nations.

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    And then disappeared from the thread
     
  4. Commodore

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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">JUST IN: Syrians arrested while heading to US with stolen Greek passports <a href="https://t.co/Mh3FSJhipN">https://t.co/Mh3FSJhipN</a> <a href="https://t.co/odP7DpIGo2">pic.twitter.com/odP7DpIGo2</a></p>&mdash; The Hill (@thehill) <a href="https://twitter.com/thehill/status/667074051391791105">November 18, 2015</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Poll: Majority of Americans oppose Obama’s Syrian refugee resettlement plan <a href="https://t.co/lluqElLQtS">https://t.co/lluqElLQtS</a> <a href="https://t.co/pIT9s8QByz">pic.twitter.com/pIT9s8QByz</a></p>&mdash; The Hill (@thehill) <a href="https://twitter.com/thehill/status/667081152671391749">November 18, 2015</a></blockquote>
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    Oh so they weren't refugees and this had no connection with the refugee problem. Got it.
     
  6. Major

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    I'm not sure Commodore understands what he is copying and pasting half the time.
     
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    Too me that actually hurts the claim of Syrian refugees being used as trojan horses for ISIS. If it's so easy to pass as a refugee in order to enter a western nation, then why go through the hassle of fake Greek passports? Why didn't they just use the 'I'm a poor ol' refugee' route?
     
  8. Commodore

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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>THIS is why Texas is vigilant about Syrian refugees--&gt; REPORT: 8 Syrians Caught at Texas Border in Laredo. <a class="hashtag" action="hash" title="#tcot">#tcot</a> <a href="https://t.co/trfqhGcNAu" title="http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/18/report-8-syrians-caught-at-texas-border-in-laredo/">breitbart.com/big-government…</a></p>&mdash; Greg Abbott (@GregAbbott_TX) <a href="https://twitter.com/GregAbbott_TX/status/667159455419666433" data-datetime="2015-11-19T01:56:24+00:00">November 19, 2015</a></blockquote>
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  9. Commodore

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    It shows Syrian men are trying to sneak in, and the refugee system is an obvious means of doing so

    FBI director explains

    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/cAG2Ge8wLbA" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
     
  10. NewRoxFan

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    Interesting that you and the Governor both cite Breitbart as a reputable news source. No other news source seems to have reported on this. But a local news tried to get confirmation from Customs and Border Protection... so far, no confirmation.

    http://www.kgns.tv/home/headlines/Online-article-claims-eight-Syrians-were-apprehended-in-Laredo-351604821.html

    Odd, huh?
     
  11. Cohete Rojo

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    Aren't European refugees entering through Turkey and Greece?

    [rQUOTEr]Honduras detains Syrians bound for U.S. with doctored Greek passports

    Honduran authorities said on Wednesday they had intercepted six Syrian nationals traveling on doctored Greek passports in the past week, including five who had been trying to reach the United States.[/rQUOTEr]
     
  12. SamFisher

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    Has the bar in this thread been lowered enough?

    Instead of sleeper cell terrorist infiltrators coming in via the Syrian resettlement program, something of which there is apparently zero evidence like it started out, now it's now "let's post random reports of syrian who want to migrate to the US", and you're not even doing a good job at that.

    Once again I will help you by showing you some Syrian immigrant terrorist, armed with an incendiary device, detonating it in a crowd of people:

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    You're welcome, Commodore, and Gobernador Abbot
     
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