The NBA doesn't care, Bulls are the face of the league, referees are in the tank for them, Jordan can get away with anything he wants. The NBA doesn't care, Lakers are the face of the league, referees are in the tank for them, Shaq can get away with anything he wants. Jealous fanbases always come to the conclusion that dominant franchises are cheating. It's always easier than admitting that they're just far and away better than their own team. There always has to be a league-wide conspiracy in play.
You are correct. I am very jealous that GSW can get away with things like what they get away with. I am not ashamed to admit that I am very jealous the Rockets do not get such treatment. Who isn't admitting that the Warriors are much better than the Rockets? The Warriors are the best team in the league. They would very likely still be even without the amount of illegal screens they get away with. But you're willfully burying your head in the sand if you think the Warriors don't get away with much more illegal screens than other teams.
It's just a way to diminish whomever's at the top. Happens to every dominant team. On a semi-related note, I'm sure you feel Harden's free throw drawing is completely legit. You're biased. It's cool. Happens to the best of us. If the Rockets were running roughshod over the league with exactly the same offense and screens and other fanbases insisted that they were systematically cheating, you'd brand them whiners--you certainly wouldn't be agreeing that the Rockets were inveterate cheaters that the league needed to crack down on. Trying to claim otherwise would only make us both feel bad on your behalf.
Just like they might create subtle ways of getting away with the screens, maybe the opposing team should create a subtle way of countering it with running into the screens with there elbows raised to the head of the opponent making it look like a natural motion in which the other player ran into on the court.
Half the people in this thread are biased, it's beyond silly. Every team sets illegal screens for the thousandnth time. The refs don't call it on the Rockets every single time either. They really only call it when it's so ridiculously blatant like the one yesterday on Howard when he throws both his forearms and elbows up and pushes... like seriously??? There's blatant grabbing and there's subtle grabbing. Players grab and tug to get open or play defense ALL THE TIME. It's a skill. The biggest difference between the Warriors/Spurs and us comes down to coaching. Their coaches teach them these things, I don't know what our coaches do? But they should be teaching our team to do the same things the Warriors and Spurs do... Also, why is it the Warriors catch all the flak for illegal screens, but the Spurs are basically just as bad!!
You probably just shouldn't throw the word biased out there without having evidence yourself. Especially since it's very easy to prove that the Warriors do indeed get away with more moving screens. What do you think the source of your bias is? The fact that you want to believe the world is fair, even when it isn't? Why is it hard for you to believe that the Warriors are finding inefficiency in the NBA referring schemes? The exact same thing happened to our very own rockets when the sonics used an (at the time) illegal zone defense against our former championship squad. You are trying to simplify something that isn't simple, and trying to diminish what amounts to very real concerns for the NBA's product simply be saying others don't want to believe goldenstate is great (they openly admit the contrary) is to put it simply, stupid.
They get away with more because they set more screens. I'd like someone to do a breakdown of illegal screen / total screens set comparison on all the teams then maybe you have something.
The source of my bias is that I don't think that every time a dominant team comes along, the NBA immediately engineers a league-wide conspiracy to cheat for them. And yet, each time a dominant team comes along, fans insist the referees are systematically letting them cheat. People claimed that the Bulls were allowed to do anything they wanted, that Shaq and the Lakers were allowed to do anything they wanted. This isn't new or interesting. Beyond that, I watch lots of games, not just the Rockets or Warriors. It's fairly obvious that every team screens like this. Fans incorrectly believe that all moving screens are illegal, when they aren't. Here's the actual rule: A player who sets a screen shall not (1) assume a position nearer than a normal step from an opponent, if that opponent is stationary and unaware of the screener's position, or (2) make illegal contact with an opponent when he assumes a position at the side or front of an opponent, or (3) assume a position so near to a moving opponent that illegal contact cannot be avoided by the opponent without changing direction or stopping, or (4) move laterally or toward an opponent being screened, after having assumed a legal position. The screener may move in the same direction and path of the opponent being screened. In (3) above, the speed of the opponent being screened will determine what the screener's stationary position may be. This position will vary and may be one to two normal steps or strides from his opponent. Link There's a few things to be noticed here. First, as I bolded, you can move when screening. Those "stumble-backs" that people keep complaining about? Completely legal, since Bogut or whoever is moving in the same direction and path as the person being screened. Second, this isn't a simple rule. People who keep insisting that there are "gray areas" and "black and white areas" and the Warriors are black-and-white breaking the rule simply don't know what they're talking about. The entire issue is gray areas. That gray area is what's so beautiful for the conspiracy theorists. It's like offensive holding in football...if you're motivated enough by bias, you can claim your team is held every play and that your team never holds. Illegal screens even made NBA.com's list of most misunderstood rules. Sorry, this is just sour grapes. If the Rockets were doing this and crushing the competition, no one on this forum would be up in arms. It's because another team is doing it that it's a big problem. The idea that all the other teams are either complicit or else collectively being cowed by Adam Silver as one team destroys their league is beyond silly. This is fans not knowing the rules well and wanting to de-legitmize the current power.
No, Bogut's "stumble-back" screens aren't legal since he's making contact as he's stumbling which is illegally impeding the defender.
Can you show me where it says you're allowed to make contact with an opponent and then move in the same direction as them?
PER his link, on NBA.com A player who sets a screen shall not (1) assume a position nearer than a nor-mal step from an opponent, if that opponent is stationary and unaware of the screen-er's position, or (2) make illegal contact with an opponent when he assumes a posi-tion at the side or front of an opponent, or (3) assume a position so near to a moving opponent that illegal contact cannot be avoided by the opponent without changing direction or stopping, or (4) move laterally or toward an opponent being screened, after having assumed a legal position. The screener may move in the same direction and path of the opponent being screened. In (3) above, the speed of the opponent being screened will determine what the screener's stationary position may be. This position will vary and may be one to two normal steps or strides from his opponent.
That doesn't say anything about the screener making contact while moving in the same direction as the opponent.
It also doesn't say anything about moving in the same direction while wearing shorts or breathing oxygen. Screen rules are about when contact is legal--you don't need a rule about not making contact.
No, it doesn't. The statement is "move laterally or toward an opponent being screened". If you're assuming that contact has already been made, then how can you move toward an opponent with whom you're already in contact?
Yes, the bolded means that if you don't give them sufficient air space and make contact, you're the one at fault. It's like the restricted area for drawing charges...if you're in it and make contact, you're the one who gets the foul. It's not an automatic foul just for standing there. Contact is still what's being regulated.
