Fox News focus group of Iowa Republican voters talk about Egypt

Liberals believing they're smarter than everybody else. That's a new one.

 

That was hilarious.

 

It's good to know li'l t doesn't think he's smarter than the folks in that focus group. That's some self awareness right there.

 

That actually would be new -- good point. That's not what is actually in this thread, (you know, kind of like the president is not a muslim.)

Sensible human beings feeling smarter than a bunch of tools who flaunt their fervent ignorance like a feather boa at a drag show? Yeah, that's not new. That's pretty much all of human history, including this thread.

 

no idea where idiots wold get such a suggestion.

Texas Tea Party Leader On Obama: He ‘Might Be Muslim’

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I would pay to see texxx in drag

 

You're just playing the game of false equivalency.

Bush was incompetent because he's an idiot. Bush was a horrible President, not because he was a Republican, but because his performance was horrible. He inherited a surplus and ran up the largest deficits in history while continuing to cut taxes for the wealthy. He still has yet to find Osama Bin Laden. He left office with two messy wars still on the table that he started. He left office with an economy on the verge of destruction, TARP and big business bail outs galore. He's pushed us into a surveillance society with his pushing and expansion of the Patriot Act. He's made the US a joke around the world for the use of torture. He STILL thinks putting people in Gitmo was a good idea. Even with the benefit of hindsight the guy is an f'n idiot.

 

Luntz did sort of treat them with disbelief and indicated they would be marginalized for that belief.

 

He's actually wrong, he has before:

Luntz: Obama harder on GOP than Terrorists

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I actually think Bush is very smart but mistakenly allowed cronyism to dictate too many of his decisions. His inexperience coming into the office was disastrous.

His last few years were actually very solid. He is the one who made the change to bring Patreaus into Iraq and his surge strategy was clearly a success. He made the right decisions with the bailout and Tarp, and listened to the right people.

Was he overall a good president? No, he was terrible. But the man isn't an idiot and while he made some terrible mistakes, it wasn't stupidity...just a lack of wisdom.

 

I thought w was the decider? And how was shrubs 5 years as Texas guv any less experience than the right wings description of Obama's only experience being a "community organizer"?

 

I'm not getting into the semantics of 'Bush the idiot' or 'Bush the un-wise decision maker', but I outright disagree with the bolded part. I realize the issues have been discussed ad nauseam, so I'll be brief:

Iraq surge a "success": Jury's still out on this one, it has helped reduce violence (short-term, good for political points especially by the GOP), but it has made the long-run goal of a stable, united Iraq less likely. I'm not convinced a similar COIN strategy will work in Afghanistan, totally different ball-game.

TARP/2008 bailouts 'right thing to do': Only for a certain group of people: those working in the financial industry. Yes, many depend on the financial sector, from shoe-shiners to lawyers that work on the M&A contracts for banks, but it's a Ponzi scheme, and the bailouts only keep the con game running so long as the funds keep getting injected when needed.

That TARP prevented credit markets from freezing up (end of the world scenario) or the (straw-man) argument that TARP was the only thing to do vs. inaction, are myths propagated by Wall Street's well-oiled PR machine, of which one employs my brother's fiancé. Only certain features that were outside of TARP have helped (i.e. changes to mark-to-market accounting).

Ironically, the Fed's ultra-low IR has punished underdogs like pension funds, and rewarded IBs to pay us our own money back 'faster'.

TARP - not the principle of bailouts to free liquidity - has not been a success for middle-class America. We didn't have anyone punished like we did for Enron, but Enron-type accounting and finances continue to this day, and the Govt didn't take control (like the FDIC), instead it allowed moral hazard to continue. Banks are still very undercapitalized, enough credit isn't being given to SMEs, unemployment and foreclosures are still a major issue, and it's too early to call it safe.

Bush and Obama listened to the wrong people. Most of the same policies that got us into this mess are still happening. Another near-meltdown will come in the next decade or so.

It's getting late, but a separate "TARP: short-term or long-term" thread would be better.

 

Conservatives acting more ignorant than everybody else. That's a new one.

 

arguing if Bush is smart is subjective, arguing if Obama is muslim is objective. bush is a pro business republican and wouldn't deny that. arguing that obama has some secret muslim agenda is ridiculous.