Former Muslim says that ISIS represents true Islam

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Why Turkey Is Sitting Out the ISIS War
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/09/11/turkey-joins-the-coalition-of-the-unwilling.html

 

Turkey actually significantly helped IS until very recently, and is secretly still doing so, but just like several of the others in this "alliance", has to provide lip service to the rest of the world and pretend to fight the militants. It's like Pakistan's and Afghanistan's governments pretending to fight the Taliban and Al Qaeda, but hiding Osama Bin Laden. Etc. They are two-faced. Taqiya.

 

Turkey is STILL helping ISIS.

They buy oil from ISIS, they allow ISIS to have access to medical care and ISIS crosses the border into Turkey all the time.

Part of the problem is that ISIS has kidnapped quite a few Turks and the government of Turkey is apprehensive.

 

Yes, correct - but the real issue is that IS are Sunnis just like Erdogan is a Sunni. Their goals (a Sunni Islamic state with strict sharia) are not that dissimilar. Erdogan's whole mission from the start has been to change Turkey from being a relatively secular state, as Kemal Atatürk had wisely created it, to a state where Sunni Islam rules and dominates every aspect of life through sharia.

Erdogan also hates Assad not because of human rights issues, but because he is an alawite.

 

By the way, Bill Maher pretty much agrees 100 % with this "Brother Rachid" guy from the OP, and even though he considers himself a "liberal" and probably someone from the left, he says the liberals need to stop being delusional about Islam.

His debate with that other guy kind of reads like some of the debates I have with people like FranchiseBlade here.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...ve_and_plain_wrong.html#.VBIjp6sK4jk.facebook

Bill Maher clashed with Charlie Rose over Islam during an appearance on Rose's Bloomberg Television program this week. Maher, the host of Real Time on HBO, scoffed at Rose's numerous attempts to link Islam to Christianity and to try to disavow radical Muslims as representatives of the religion. Rose contended numerous times that "moderate Muslims" do not approve of the actions of radical groups like ISIS. Maher noted Muslims when polled overwhelmingly agree with ideas like killing those who leave Islam and stoning adulters. Rose said the Koran does not teach Muslims to do "these kind of things." Below is a transcript of their conversation:

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He says that about Christians too. Only difference is that he views Islam as the more evil of the 2 evils. Watch religiulous if you dont believe me.

 

And what do you think?

 

ATW, what do you think of Islam in Indonesia compare to Islam in Pakistan? That PEW poll show some striking differences between the two. Why?

 

I don't know - maybe we should ask Human Rights Watch what they think of Islam in Indonesia?

http://www.hrw.org/node/113852

In Religion’s Name
Abuses against Religious Minorities in Indonesia

FEBRUARY 28, 2013

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Or maybe you would like to meet Banda Aceh's Sharia police?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8491195.stm

And yeah, I guess it is not JUST as terrible that only 48 % of Indonesian Muslims are in favor of stoning adulterers vs. 84 % in Pakistan...but still terrible enough.

And yeah, fewer Indonesian Muslims demand the death penalty for leaving Islam than in Pakistan...but still way too many. I cannot believe that such attitudes do not spark more outcries from the left.

So, in summary, Islam in Indonesia doesn't seem to have manifested itself in just as much complete lunacy as in Pakistan, but it's still lunatic.

 

Yeah, that's not the real issue at all. In fact, zero of what you pontificate is true. None of it.

Here, do some learning:

http://www.brookings.edu/research/papers/2012/04/24-turkey-new-model-taspinar

http://www.wnd.com/2014/09/nato-member-openly-aiding-isis/#BQm0dsrmsRLAAgH9.99

 

Everything I said is true. None of your desperate attempts at frantic googling will change that.

 

In summary: no amount of left, right, or center information will convince you to leave the plainly false stance you staunchly support.

 

In summary: Your frantic googling and re-posting of text snippets which have nothing to do with anything that is discussed in the thread is laughable.

 

You totally dodged the question. I didn't ask or make any statement about how acceptable Islam beliefs or behaviors are in those two places, but about the large differences.

 

What answer do you want?

I said that it's less terrible in my opinion if 48 % of Indonesian Muslims are in favor of stoning adulterers vs. 84 % in Pakistan.

What do you want to know about the differences? Explain yourself. You are not making any sense.

 

Don't you guys ever get tired of talking about Islam? How is this an actual interest of so many people...

 

False, "sunni" is a misnomer when applied to IS, according to middle eastern scholars previously quoted. Turkey's relationship with IS is that of convenience (cheap oil and easy money), not an ideological alliance. Had you cared to find knowledge in the links I provided, you'd be able to find this on your own.

If you'd like to disprove the scholars opinion, I suggest some "frantic googling."

Also false. The Brookings Institute link shows that this narrative isn't supported by recent history. It's a shame you've already denounced all knowledge that conflicts with your plainly false narrative.

False number 3. Erdogan has gone from calling Assad his "brother" when times are good to recommending he step down after Assad attacked his own people. Seems like a very pragmatic approach that has nothing to do with the race, ethnicity, or religion. Again, if you were open to learning, which you've stated you're not, you could have found this on your own.

100% post, 100% false. Congratulations =).

 

Then you don't really know Bill Maher or the history of Christianity. Today's Islam is yesterday's Christianity.

 

It's pretty fascinating when you consider how much Islam is injected into our daily lives. More so than 10-15 years ago.