Former Muslim says that ISIS represents true Islam

so a few radicals after the toons flapped their gums.

Against ISIS Muslims are actually fighting them with real weapons, and laying their lives on the line everyday against them.

If you think a few radicals speaking radically is a more sincere demonstration of opposition than Muslims actually sacrificing their lives fighting ISIS, then I don't know what to tell you.

 

I don't support any implementation of Sharia law that oppresses human rights, and supports things like death penalty for theft. I understand that I am against what most Muslims in the region believe.

I'm against any religious laws being forced on anyone. It's not what I believe in.

 

ISIS is not very popular in the Middle East with Muslims. People forget they are primarily killing Muslims. Concerning Sharia Law, it is scary and I believe dangerous how many Muslims want Sharia Law world wide. I even know Muslims in the USA and EU that feel that way.

 

Yeah, I've listened to interviews with American Muslims who support Sharia law. It was hard to fathom. Some scholars were saying that it is the norm for Islam to be infused with the govt. and the concept of separation of church and state isn't part of the culture.

It's a crazy concept that I don't think is in the best interest of either religion or the governing of people.

 

Aaaaaand here we go.

That is actually hinted at in that Imam "ISIS denunciation video" by at least one of them - that it must be "someone else" (= Israel) behind ISIS.

As usual, some Muslims deflect responsibility even for Islamists' actions in the name of Islam and try to follow their usual routine: Use Israel as scapegoat. No matter how utterly absurd the assertion is.

 

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If that is what they truly want, than maybe coming to the US is not the best idea for them. They can make common cause with the fundamentalist christians who believe religion should be part of their government, but it still will never happen here....not as long as we are still abiding by the constitution.

 

Separation of church and state is still a relatively new concept. For much of mankind history since Religion taken hold, Religion is a significant part of governing (aka dictating) people life. It just takes time. The flip over is going to happen sooner or later. I said sooner given the interconnected world.

 

While many Muslims agree with some of what ISIS stands for that doesn't mean support ISIS. Many Christians agree with some of what the Westboro Baptists church stands for but that doesn't mean they support all of what the Westboro Church stands for.

This is one of the basic problems between the West and the Muslim world. There is an inability to differentiate the differences and diversity of the Muslim world and just presume that they think alike. Also as others posters have noted the majority of Muslims oppose ISIS and are actively engaged in battle against them.

As I've said before though if your view is that really Islam is the problem what is the solution? Should we actually try to wipe out Islam? That isthe narrative that people like ISIS and OBL put forward, that the West really wants to wipe out Islam and they (the extremists) are the ones who can defend Muslims from a new crusade.

 

You should make this a thread and add a public poll with an array of options to it.

 

most americans believe islam is the problem (look at polls to see how popular moslems are). most americans will want to wipe out islam once they see the polls someone showed here. there narrative is right. we want to wipe out islam. war is coming because its too late and moslems are bad guys.

still i dont think there all that bad and some are very decent people. since we cant tell the difference between them, they will pay for the actions of moslems in other countries like iraq unless they accept christ as their savior.

 

You cannot wipeout Islam. Islam needs to reform
itself.

 

#1 ISIS is not well liked by most of the other extremist groups for no other reason than the leaders clash. ISIS has virtually no support outside of ISIS from other extremist groups.

#2 In the Middle East there are virtually no moderate rebel groups, which if you understand Islam isn't a surprise. If your message is secularism and moderation, you are not going to attract many followers in a violent rebel setting. Also, it is far easier to condone what you are doing, killing and looting and rating and completely controling a population when you can point to a strict form of religion that says conversion at all costs is necessary.

#3 ISIS is a loose, and weird confederation of people. Not all members of ISIS are hardline fans of a caliphate for religious reasons. We have decades of rebels and soldiers that know nothing but violence. They go where the action is and they like to join a winner. For example, many ex-Iraqi soldiers (including the Republican Guard) were unemployed and had nothing to do. They were never extremist Muslims, but essentially soldiers of war.

#4 People calling for the destruction of Islam are wasting their time. There are 1.5 billion Muslims, reproducing quickly in mostly third world countries. Impossible to kill them all.

#5 Agree with you on your point about Westboro or for a larger perspective consider Born Again Christians. Many of them want a Christian nation. They are very much at odds with moderates. Indeed, many moderate Christians have disdain for them. Imagine Pat Robertson leading an army and Muslims saying he represents the average Christian.

 

Islam needs to be secularized and it needs to stop being used as a tool to oppress and control poor people.

 

Yeah bc the gap here in America is so awesome.

 

No one said everything is perfect in the USA and Western Europe. However people here get formal schooling, numerous opportunities for further education and opportunities that are not afforded to people in many places in the Middle East.

Do you disagree with me that Islam is currently being used as a form of social control and control of poor people in many places of the world?

FWIW I do not think it is inherently that Islam is "bad" or anything of that sort. Hell, Catholicism was used as a form of social control and oppression of the poor for centuries.

If your position is that because everything isn't perfect in the USA, that we can not be critical, then there would be no discussions about anything.