Forbes Magazine: Obama best economic president of modern times

Look up how many filibusters each administration has had. It is pretty hilarious to see how much it goes up every four years.

 

The rules have something to do with it though, once they made the rule where you didn't even have to actually filibuster, merely express an intention to do so in order to stop things it got a bit ridiculous. That said, doesn't it just prove that there has been unwillingness to work together in the congress? If you compromise to make everyone happy, things get done, if you try to stubbornly push through whatever you want, the opposition party does what they can to get in the way because they've been cut out of the process.

 

Actually, let me change that. Obstruction was the only game plan. When that's your objective, compromise doesn't fit in your head. And that's also why you are known as the worst Congress making Obama accomplishments event more appreciated. As I said, history is likely going to be good to this president.

 

But that hasn't been the case here. Obama has bent over backwards trying to work with the GOP.

Yes, the result of the GOP refusing to work with him on ANYTHING, even policies that were based on their own ideas from 1994.

Bullsh!t. Stubborn, inflexible adherence to ideology is what we have seen out of the GOP, not Obama.

Eight years of "terrible," six of "fair to middling."

 

Except in this case, the President has tried, repeatedly, to work with Congress even though they have chosen not to participate in governing since day one of his presidency. They got in the way because he is Obama, not because he wouldn't work with them.

 

So you seriously believe that congress only stopped working with the President after he did not want to compromise? You do not think the republicans made it their mission to stop the president from getting anything done (so they would have a better chance in next election)?

It is good for me and others to know how you remember this (so we know if we can take you seriously)

 

We can't, he's stuck in the echo chamber.

 

I think living in Houston we're (if you live here) shielded to a certain extent of what is happening in a lot of other places.

little dated (from July), but good read:

 

The president didn't even include the republicans in the conversation until he had no choice and even then, he pushed forward with non-starters...of course they were going to oppose them. It would be like if the Republicans were in charge and they wanted to push for eliminating welfare. That issue is a non-starter with Democrats so there's really nothing you can do that would make them go along with it or even make them not try to stop you from doing it. If that were the case, would you then say that they were just trying to stop anything from getting done? Of course not.

This president seemed to think that he could push through pretty much whatever he wanted and he hasn't quite learned his lesson yet that he can't do that. You have to play politics. Obama still needs to learn from Clinton about how to work with the opposition. Almost 6 years of on the job training, and Obama still comes off as naive and inexperienced.

On a different note, I'll be happy when the next president gets in office, no matter who it is. It's tiresome having a president in office that seemingly can do no wrong in the eyes of some. I look forward to having a president that people can see objectively, no matter what party they come from.

 

Why are republican ideas non-starters with republicans?

 

LOL, you actually believe that Obama has been pushing Republican ideas? Wow. I'd love for you to give an example that didn't have something else tied to it.

 

LOL, Obama can't do no wrong.

Obama is God. Even his Wrong is Right. OTH, Obama is the Devil. Even his Right is Wrong.

Hint: no one believe Obama is God. A few lost souls that believe Obama is the Devil. And there are more on that side that believe he's almost the Devil.

 

What you really mean is - an example that doesn't ask for compromise.

... turns out the word "you" in the quote above only refers to one side, huh bobby.

 

No, what I'm saying is when you tie something to a non-starter such as the ACA it's not really compromise, it's a bribe. It would be the same as if the Republicans offered a welfare or minimum wage increase in a bill to abolish abortion or gay marriage or some stupid policy like that. If Republicans did that would you say that they were "bending over backwards"? No.

 

The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.

-Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell

 

Bullsh!t. Obama held a seven hour long live streamed summit to try to bring Republicans on board for the ACA. In it, he asked for them to provide provisions they would like to see integrated into the legislation. To a man, the only thing the Republicans in the meeting asked for was "a clean sheet of paper." That isn't compromise and it was the GOP refusing to compromise, not Obama.

You mean like when the GOP had control of Congress and got significant welfare reform passed along with the support of MORE THAN HALF of the Democrats in both houses of Congress along with the president?

That happened, it isn't a hypothetical like the nonsense you are posting.

Again, bullsh!t. The only thing he was naive about was the lengths to which the GOP would go to obstruct absolutely everything he proposed, no matter how reasonable. If Obama had thought "that he could push through pretty much whatever he wanted," then single payer would have been an option when they were writing the ACA, it wasn't. He would have pushed through more significant Wall Street reform than Dodd-Frank, he didn't. He would have pushed through a second stimulus, he didn't.

Your alternate reality appears to be the result of your willingness to believe the liars on Fox and the people who echo those liars.

I don't have any hope whatsoever of objectivity from the GOP if another Democrat gets elected in 2016. It will be more of the same, no matter how reasonable that person is.

 

The ACA. Born out of the Heritage Foundation, implemented by Mitt Romney, but the end of America's healthcare system, now that it was passed by Obama.

 

Oh wow, that'll be the end of the conversation. You really are delusional if you think the ACA is a Republican idea. It fully explains the rest of your takes and there's no need to go into this further. Good day.

 

Bobby, you are not living in reality.

And I don't buy for one second that you'll accept the next president (who will be a democrat). You are the very definition of 'partisan hack.'