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Fire Bill O'Brien

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by DonnyMost, Sep 23, 2016.

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Should we fire Bill O'Brien?

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  2. No

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  3. Abstain (for the moment)

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  1. TheRealist137

    TheRealist137 Member

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    That’s not really a bad call. If you go for 2 and not get it, you are down 3 scores. By kicking the XP, you maintain being down 2 scores.

    BoB makes mistakes but that’s not one of them.
     
  2. marks0223

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    Yet both the Titans and Jags have made it to an AFC Championship game in recent years. This team looks its worst in many of the biggest games. That falls on the coach and he does take the blame but unfortunately he won't fire himself.
     
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  3. gucci888

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    Huh? We were down 12 points after the TD. If we go for 2 and don’t get it, it’s still a 12 point game.
     
  4. TheRealist137

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    It didn't matter

    The complaint makes no sense. the article is saying that we should have gone for 2 when we were down by 12, why? So we would still need a TD + a FG in order to win.

    why not kick the XP, and then go for 2 the next time you score a TD?
     
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    Yeah we were going to be down 1 td and 1 fg no matter what successful xp we did.
    If we missed a 2-point try though then it's 2 td's down.
    You always put off your 2-point pat tries until you have to have them to prolong the game.

    What enraged me was when they (chefs) got the bogus PI call that led to their last TD.
    Is that not a challengeable call?
    If it is OB should have challenged and he's a ..........(hold my tongue) for not doing it.
    I was freaking out when OB did nothing!
    If that's a fg instead of td then it's a 1-score game at the end.
     
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  6. gucci888

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    Nah with how much time that was left, you go for 2 and try to make it a 10 point game. I agree it didn’t matter but this is nowhere near the first time BoB has bungled these situations.
     
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  7. TheRealist137

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    No you don't. The incentive of being down 10 instead of 11 at that point in time is not worth the risk of not converting the 2 pt conversion at all and being down 12.
     
  8. conquistador#11

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    I just don't like the talk that the chiefs took their foot off the gas pedal or it was garbage time. Mofos were going for it on 4th down with 3 minutes to go in the game, wanting to score with urgency. That's a winner's approach, groggy voice yelling out laaaambo. All it meant was yet another crossing pattern that this D hasn't learned to defend after 6 seasons.
     
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  9. gucci888

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    2 point conversion chart coaches still use today. You try and get it to a 10 point game.

    http://www.theredzone.org/Features/TwoPointConversionChart
     
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    If you go for 2 and don't make it, it's a 12 point deficit and you KNOW you need 2 TD's to win.

    If you go for the XP and make it, it's an 11 point deficit and you're not really sure exactly what you need. You might be able to tie with a TD+2PT+FG but you might still need 2 TD. You don't really know.

    If you get the ball down to the 20 on your next possession and it's 4th and 2, if you're down 12 then you know you need to go for it. If you're down 10 or 11 then your probably take the FG and the sure points.Then let's say you get a TD at the end of the game, you're down 8 and need a 2 point conversion, and don't get it. In hindsight, you should've gone for it on that 4th and 2, but you didn't know you going to miss that 2 point conversion.

    It's better to go for the conversion down 12 because it's going to help tell you what you need to do the rest of the game. If you make it, you know you need a TD+FG. If you miss it, you know you need 2 TD. If you wait to the end of the game to try the conversion, you might have no way of making up those points if you don't convert.
     
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  12. nigma2000

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    All 3 of the division rivals have made it to the AFC championship game since Bill has been hired
     
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  13. Mr.Scarface

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    In Fairness, O'Brien has only had a healthy Watson for 2 years (hurt rookie season).
     
  14. Texanstradamus

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    I believe the Texans are giving O’Brien 2 more years this one and next season cause that’s when we will have draft picks again if he doesn’t get this team over the hump by then he will be fired I can’t see them bringing a new regime in with limited draft Captial it will suck but these 2 season are pretty much it for O’Brien it’s too much heat on him nationally from the Hopkins trade so if this season Fail and the next one too he out
     
  15. DatRocketFan

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    What a sht excuse from a BoB apologist. The others teams had less with coaches that just started.

    Jaguars: Dough Malone (2017), got to AFC championship a year after being interim (qb: bortles)
    Titans: Mike Vrabel (2019), made it to AFC championship within his second year as hc (qb: tannerhill)
    Colts: Chuck Pagano (2014), made it to AFC championship within his 3rd year as hc (qb: luck)

    We are past 6 years of mediocrity, riding up to th e 7th and your sht excuse was cause Watson wasn't healthy yet? JEezus christ, delusional fan boy. How many years do u think BoB needs to even get to the AFC championship. Coaches have made it further in less time.

    Fairness, pffft. U either have the coachin skill to compensate your lack of talent on the team, or you have the talent on the team to carry u if u have sht coaching ability. BoB has neither since he's sht at coaching and at his job as a gm.

    Titans and Jaguars has tannerhill and bortles and was still able to get to the AFC championship, what's your sht excuse now?
     
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    Some people struggle with simple math
     
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    Agreed

    Then the next HC will have to go through the Watson struggles.
     
  18. Mr.Scarface

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    Each of those teams were more complete than the Texans. The Texans holes has been QB and Offensive Line...2 of the hardest things to build in NFL. The Texans defense aged as they tried to rebuild the offense. The Colts in 2014 was the tell end of veteran defense with a dynamic QB. The Jags went on a spending spree on Defense and built the best D in the NFL, and Titans got hot and rode a freak at RB for a playoff run. The same with all those teams was that it wasn’t sustainable and a little bit of luck.

    The Texans have not had the luck for everything to go right. There have been injuries at the wrong positions at the wrong time. It is like Schaub getting him hurt in 2011...which also hurt the 2012 team (I know , Kubiak). It is JJ getting hurt, along with the Safeties last season. It is the WRs getting hurt in 2018, along horrid offense line. The Texans have never been good enough with depth and luck at the same time. O’Brien was the GM until last August (unofficially), Building depth is his strategy. The plain fact the Texans have been good enough in personnel and in coaching to beat the playoff teams they are facing. Sometimes it also takes luck.

    If O’Brien is such a bad coach, you should have no problem taking the bet you leaving the board if he takes the to an AFC championship game under his tenure.
     
  19. Verbal Christ

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    Bravo!! Too much of this passive "give Bill a break" vibe for my liking. NOW the argument is that the team isnt "balanced" LMAO this is AFTER Bill OBrien decided to trade away Jadeveon Clowney, not resign DJ Reader, break the bank for backup safeties when better talent was out there, not go all out on resigning the Honey Badger or even retaining Tashaun Gipson?? Hmmm .. almost as if retaining good players is better than trading for reclamation projects or scouring the waiver wire! Go figure! Better hope that Russ Blacklock pans out, but if he doesnt who's there to hold OBrien accountable?

    NOW THE DEFENSE IS TO BLAME!?!? OMFG im going to throw up.

    remember also that the San Francisco 49ers went from the Super Bowl, to tearing it all down for a rebuild and now have become super bowl contenders AGAIN all during the Bill OBrien era in Houston.

    There is a difference between responsibility and accountability and Bill OBrien does not know how to lead only how to boss people around.

    Its his way or the highway and he wouldnt know how to run a team if Bill Walsh crawled out from his chin dimple and started to give him pointers.
     
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  20. Texanstradamus

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    I mean it’s not shocking the offense to look the way it did considering cooks and Cobb barely practiced and they had no camp the defense is a bigger worry in which O’Brien has neglected signed mercilus who haven’t even been good since week 4 of last year and resigned McKinney who is a 2 down LB I’m not worried about Deshaun he will be alright.
     
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