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Fire Bill O'Brien

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by DonnyMost, Sep 23, 2016.

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Should we fire Bill O'Brien?

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  1. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    I was wondering why Watson was in the game with a 19 point lead and less than 5 minutes left.
     
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  2. Hey Now!

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    BOB may still a problem BUT...... with each passing week, it's becoming abundantly clear that a) Watson is very good; b) he was nowhere close to being healthy the first several weeks, be it getting up to speed on his knee or recovering from hits.

    This is a QB-driven league and the Texans have a good one who is about to play once over the next 22 days, giving him ample time to get healthy for the final seven games + playoffs.
     
  3. Hey Now!

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    1) players don't like to come out. Ever. 2) he was handing off.
     
  4. DonnyMost

    DonnyMost be kind. be brave.
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    This has been addressed many times over.

    BOB does not get credit for Watson pulling rabbits out of his butt (which was over 50% of our offense last year).

    Further, you're not an offensive genius, let alone competent, if your entire offense relies on one player. Especially when we have 4 years of putrid offense on film prior. Guys like Sean Payton, Mike McCarthy, Bill Belichick, Doug Pedersen, Andy Reid.... They keep the train rolling even when they lose their stars. BOB's offense immediately goes in the toilet.
     
  5. DonnyMost

    DonnyMost be kind. be brave.
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    This is exactly correct. It's a winning formula if you can run. We, overall, cannot. Given our schedule, we could conceivably win 10 games this year. I'd still want BOB out, because this team shows no signs of improvement. The rest of the AFC has regressed. I need to see foundational improvement from BOB. Better O line play. Better play calling in the red zone and on 3rd/4th down. Better clock and game management. Less penalties. You know, all of the things that actually matter as an "offensively minded" HC.
     
  6. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    1) clearly true
    2) he threw one pass to Hopkins
    3) I have seen QBs step on linemen's feet plenty of times
     
  7. mario_v

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    Right, cause we all know how great mike McCarthy's offense was last season without Rodgers last year. I think they averaged about 13 ppg, but you said they kept the train rolling, so it must be true.

    Pederson has the best backup qb in the league, even then, was very inconsistent.

    Payton has never coached without drew brees as his qb.


    Mahomes makes a lot plays when the play breaks down, hell, he made a pass with his off hand. So that kinda defeats your argument.

    Even belichick couldn't make the playoffs with matt castle as his qb. The fact that Obrien made the playoffs with some of the worst qbs in the league, shows how good Obrien is a a HC.

    News flash: You need a qb to run the offense. Every team's offense is entirely reliable on one player, the qb. That's why you have all these rules designed to protect the qb.
     
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  8. Nick

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    Will Fuller injury aside, the O-line seems to be getting some more consistency in run/pass blocking which is allowing this offense to have some success.

    It still starts/ends with line play. Yes, we have a tremendous QB who can run, elude pressure, and throw a ball 70 yards down-field effortlessly... but you gotta have a line do its part too.

    BOB's insistence on establishing the run has opened things up as the game has gone on. He does need to do a better job with sequencing and end of first half management... but hopefully (again Fuller injury not withstanding), they're all finding their groove as to what this offense can do well.
     
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  9. Mr. Clutch

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    Watson is more hurt now with his hurt lung.

    The problem early in the season was O'Brien was starting the wrong guys in the wrong places in the OL (starting Rankin and moving Davenport to RT for example) and was inexplicably not using play action
     
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    Belichick's team went 11-5 the year Brady went down. That is better than any record BOB has ever had. They also went 3-1 when Brady was suspended. That is a 12-4 pace. Andy Reid has won with multiple different QBs playing different styles. I have no idea how good a of a coach sean payton is because he has always had Drew.

    But Bob's always have pretty much always sucked except when Watson is playing.
     
  12. DonnyMost

    DonnyMost be kind. be brave.
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    Conveniently forgetting 2013 and that great run that made Matt Flynn a multi-millionaire, I see.

    Nick Foles is just another Brian Hoyer/Ryan Fitzpatrick-eqse career backup/marginal starter. If Foles were in Houston, he would've tanked just as hard because BOB sucks and can't coach an offense to save his life.

    Not really. Mahomes makes a ton of plays from the pocket and by design. Watson not so much.

    Super disingenuous and misleading. The offense maintained good productivity (7th in scoring, 11th in total yards). Ironically BOB was part of this staff. Apparently the magic did not rub off on him.

    Or it shows you how A) BOB was not able to generate any offense with his own handpicked QBs B) BOB was not able to coach a single ounce of improvement out of them over the course of years C) terrible the AFC South has been and D) how good the Texans defense has been.


    At this point BOB has dug a significant hole for himself. We need to see concrete improvement on offense and in his duties as a HC over the course of multiple years at this point to get him back to "passable". Last night was a nice start, but it was a Thursday home game against Brock Osweiler. Let's wait and see if we can do this over a sustained period of time and against some contenders.
     
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  13. DatRocketFan

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    Beside Last night's game. BoB's offensive shot-calling is the definition of mediocrity.
    Here are this years stats to back it up even with yesterday's game factored in.
    Pts: 24.6 (17th)
    Yds: 379.0 (14th)
    Pass Yds: 256.0 (18th)
    Rush Yds: 123.0 (11th)


    This man is skilled at being painfully average, no wonder his best record leading is 9-7, in a shtty division. Offensive guru/QB guru? PFfft.

    No joke guess what's his fking career win-loss record right now? That's right 36-36 (.500)!!!!!

    Even if there wasn't Watson to bail his ass out like Harden with Mchale, BoB still wouldn't be fired cause our owner prides in being mediocre and our coach is the Champion at being mediocre.

    Good win though yesterday, congrats on beating up a shtty Dolphins defense like you're suppose to.
     
  14. Nick

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    You sorta have to have a threat to run the ball effectively for play action to work, usually.

    "using play action" reminds me of people thinking double reverses and flea-flickers always seem to work, so more teams should do it more often. Doesn't work that way.
     
  15. Nick

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    Really should be making the comparison to other "offensive gurus" who also aren't entrenched or haven't been to a SB yet... because you're not going to poach one of these guys away from their current or former gigs if looking for a new coach.

    That includes Adam Gase (coaching the Dolphins last night), Nagy, Reich, Jay Gruden, Jason Garrett, Baby Shanahan, Doug Marrone, Pat Shurmer, Hue Jackson, and... Sean McVay (who obviously seems to be cementing his status as the heir apparent to best coach in football).

    Of all those guys above McVay, Gruden, Garrett, Marrone have all made the playoffs.

    It is the scenario of until you're fully successful... you're not perceived to be successful.
     
  16. Mr. Clutch

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    Well part of the reason for that is not starting the right linemen to begin the season. But not just that. A lot is simply wanting to call the plays from his old New England spread ep system
     
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    If he's that fragile he shouldn't being playing in the NFL. That's a ridiculous, neurotic concern that he gets hurt from that happening.
     
  18. smitheygerard

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    Way to bring the negativity. I'm not an O'brien fan either but you sure as hell picked a stupid time to b**** about him.
     
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  19. DatRocketFan

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    There is never a stupid time to btch about a shtty coach. Who fking cares if we gonna win this sht division. Our oline is garbage and u be highly delusional to think we will do well in playoffs b/c of BoB. So far in our 5 game win streak we been beating cupcake teams. Tru critics don't hide even if the team is doing well. During the game BoB still had questionable usage of his timeouts.


    Just because we won doesn't mean our HC isn't ass. BOB has proven time and time again that he's ass and a shtty HC, don't think that he magically gotten better during this 5 game win streak.
     
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  20. smitheygerard

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    Alright then well I'm just gonna continue on living my life. Have fun being a miserable person.
     
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