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[Feigen] Rockets like what they see in James Ennis III

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Deuce, Sep 28, 2018.

  1. CXbby

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    Either faster pace or more fast break points.
     
  2. saleem

    saleem Contributing Member

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    Can Ennis be traded on his own eg Knight, or is there a waiting period for him? I want him to stay in Houston, but if he could be part of a deal to acquire Jimmy Butler instead of PJ, I would do it.
     
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    Tucker is here to stay!!
     
  4. YOLO

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    done
     
  5. napalm06

    napalm06 Huge Flopping Fan

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    Well, the OP was good.
     
  6. dkoune

    dkoune Rookie

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    Does he really like tho? Last year Cp3 put in the word for Luc and this year PJ tucker put in the word for Ennis. So does Morey reallllly have a knack for finding these players or does he have knack for getting players that find those players? :D
     
  7. MONON

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    Who cares? The results are the same either way!
     
  8. dkoune

    dkoune Rookie

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    Well, saying were about to package one those players in a jimmy butler trade. We should all care.
     
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  9. MONON

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    My bad. You're right, we all care. I should have said, "What's the difference" instead of "Who cares".
     
  10. YOLO

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    quarter of the season update. The rockets have the 2nd to last slowest pace rating only ahead of memphis. And even a slower rating to the previous year
     
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  11. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    They don't run, Harden has reverted to his lazy walk it up self.

    DD
     
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  12. YOLO

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    its no different than what he or this team has done before. he and the rockets play with a steady pace. which was the point from the beginning
     
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  13. Deuce

    Deuce Context & Nuance

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    I don't care about "pace" at all. Things slow down in the playoffs any way.

    What matters is REBOUNDING and better FG%.
     
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    Deuce Context & Nuance

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    Playing at the highest usage in the NBA. I think he is allowed to pace himself knowing the workload. But go ahead and call him lazy, sure.
     
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    glynch Contributing Member

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    so do you want to trade him for the proverbial "young player or w an some picks" ?
    Do you consider him the main problem?
     
  16. JayZ750

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    Not to argue one way or the other... but usage, like the Pace discussion on page 1, is also a not well understood stat. You can look up the exact formula, but essentially its the % of the teams plays used by the player while he's on the floor.

    Equally relevant to the workload comment, imo, is simple distance stuff.
    https://stats.nba.com/players/speed-distance/
    Unfortunately it's not available by game, or by minute.
    James is third on the ROckets in distance, only a couple hundred feet above CP3.

    Another way to look at it, of course one would expect a guy like Klay Thomson to be running around a lot more out there just based on how they play...

    ... so then its a question of "workload" as it relates to mental workload, ball-handling workload, etc.

    However you want to analyze it though, I personally don't think it has anything to do with pace, distance, usage or workload... it's just the way Harden plays, especially as the #1 guy. I think he and the team would benefit from speeding it up... but just a little, not a lot. And I'm not only or necessarily talking about more pure fastbreaks. Just speeding up the sets occasionally.

    Because the way it is has become predictable. If it adds 20% wrinkles in there... be it the random back-cuts, the random sped up portion, whatever, you'd keep the defense on their toes a little more. The downside, of course, is how do you do that without messing up the tried and true that is the current system? How do you get everyone on the same page as to when you might go a little faster or slower? Does going faster occasionally really lead to better overall efficiency, and might it also lead to more turnovers and points the other way? I think it worth a try...
     
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  17. JayZ750

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    The thing I like about your positions are they are typically what you see is what you get type positions. This might make you wrong when something out of left field happens.... which is important to note because taking perhaps contrary to obvious positions is how you can make leaps in terms of talent or style improvements.

    But you saw Ennis. Saw what he was, and were like "nope, this isn't going to speed us up for any random reason".

    And to me, that seems pretty obvious in retrospect. Slightly younger Ariza that hasn't been nearly as accomplished in his career was the obvious comparison. Which still rings true. Weren't going from Ariza to an obvious high flyer, sprinter or anything. And more obviously, with CP3 getting older, the Rockets would be what they are.

    I would have been completely shocked if at this point in the season we were all looking at Ennis and thinking "love that guy out on the break!!"

    You still might have lost the bet (and I guess its still possible but unlikely) as it looks like if it was just slightly faster pace you will lose...
     
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  18. elmotsangtt

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    Small forward suck
     

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