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[Feigen] Daryl Morey sees improvement for Rockets despite criticism

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by RV6, Jul 25, 2014.

  1. Da Wink

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    i wonder where are the shooters that replaced lin and asik? where's the upgrade on D that he talked about?? Ariza's not enough...
     
  2. Houst0ne

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    I understand you guys on being optimistic about the team. I just feel like we did get worse. Dorsey is a severely undersized center and Adrien is undersized for the PF spot. We a ton of height with Asik Lin and Parsons. Ariza is a nice plug in for Parsons so that is fine. Say whatever you want about Lin he had pretty good athletic ability and he is a big guard. We do not know what we have in Canaan. We still need a vet PG, PF and C. This roster currently constructed won't cut it.
     
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  3. JD88

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    Didn't Dorsey average like 5 and 5 in 18 minutes... In Spain?
     
  4. RV6

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    Well, he's referring to how people grade him, so there may be a middle, but people aren't looking at it. i think this is the middle right now. I'm not sure how it's a terrible offseason. Asik had to be dealt and we got a really good pick for him. That was solid. Parsons for Ariza isn't a huge change overall, different players, but their impact should even out at the end of games. So what's left? Lin. We lost Lin. Got a trade exception, gave up a pick. Not great, but he was a back up PG set to make 15 mill. If you look at it as losing Lin and gaining Johnson, it's not that bad.
     
  5. jordnnnn

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    Canaan and Daniels are better shooters than Lin.

    Asiks defense hasn't been completely replaced, but I suspect Dorsey/Adrien/Dmo can give us 75% of his effectiveness and 100% of his production.

    Swapping Parsons for Ariza to me is actually a net positive for the team. Of course as stand alone players I take Parsons all day, but in how they fit with what we do, I like Ariza.
     
  6. RV6

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    Full year of Daniels

    Canaan shoots better than Lin

    If you include Ariza shooting better than Parsons, we definitely improved our shooting.
     
  7. Rocketman7

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    Shooters: Ariza, Daniels, Canaan,
    D: Ariza, Gee, Dorsey, Adrien, Capela, Johnson,
     
  8. rocketsballin

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    I GOT IT! I FINALLY FIGURED IT OUT! morey is trying to compete for the "Cheapest Bench in the League" award, and maybe of all time in the "Ridiculous Contract Money Era"
    he's almost there, has to do something with gee though.
     
  9. PDJACK7

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    I see what you are saying. And I honestly feel we downgraded the team by losing those guys. I was on board with going after Melo/Bosh, but after that failed then I was looking for something more than Ariza. Maybe he still has something up his sleeve, but I'm very disappointed if he is going to waste a year trying to get that third star.
     
  10. rocketsballin

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    woops, wrong thread
     
  11. solid

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    Blah, blah, blah….the Rockets as currently assembled are LESS of a team than they were last season. Now if they get another veteran player or two and play smarter and harder….
     
  12. GoRox2013

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    He basically passed up a 3pt shot for a half court shot and cost us the game?
     
  13. RV6

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    i think the problem is we know what the other guys did and dont know the chemistry of the guys that are here now, but that shouldn't necessarily mean it's a downgrade or worse team.

    There is more than one way to skin a cat, in this case, it's about achieving that same point differential as consistently. It doesn't have to be achieved through just offense or just defense. Could be a mix of both as well. i think we're moving from all offense to a better mix of both. We may have lost
    "playmakers" but we have the tools to draw defenses and open up shots for shooters. If we had no shooters or just shooters with no stars that get double teamed, then we'd be in trouble.

    If we establish Dwight more often and sooner and he goes to work like he did in Portland, we can do inside-out and work Harden in when that's not working. We can still push the ball. If we defend better, which is likely, that means more turnovers, which means more possessions or fast breaks. Dorsey isn't 7 feet, but he also doesn't have the ballet syndrome Asik had under the rim. He'll finish more of those bunnies.

    I think we're too focused on replacing player X with someone identical. It doesn't always have to be that way. These new guys have time to come together and build their own identity. A season is enough, now that Harden and Howard have played a year together. Morey might make a move at the deadline and even then there's time to integrate that player or players.
     
  14. Francis3422

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    We will still win 50 games but we are going to have some serious problems against good defenses. We have no offensive structure and only 1 person to create on the perimeter.
     
  15. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

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    I think they found the replacement for Asik's shooting here:
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    Sorry, Omer! J/K buddy.
     
  16. PDJACK7

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    If that's all you got from that, then I don't know how else to explain. Sorry
     
  17. calcium

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    Me too, think the team as it stands is weaker.

    My logic is
    Add Ariza
    Subtract Asik, Parsons and Lin
    You have 3 of the top 6 players from last season gone.

    Emotions aside. Net negative.

    Ariza did have a _great_ season last year but if you look at his stats
    from a bigger sample (like last 4 -5 seasons), it is an anomaly,
    rather than the norm (well, the contract years 09/10, 13/14) seem to
    be anomalies).
    His non-contract years are closer to 10 points, high 4ish rebounds, 2 assists.
    I actually like Trevor. I've been keeping an eye on him since his Lakers days
    but it is what it is.
    Fingers crossed for him.

    I think he is a reasonable replacement for Parsons except for
    the scoring part, which is going to be problematic cos this current
    team, when sans Harden, is lacking a bit of firepower.

    I hope Canaan can break through this season, cos from what I saw
    of him last season, he was far from ready then.
    Maybe this season. I hope.

    Asik, when he wasnt off sulking and finally decided to play, is irreplaceable.
    He is a starting center on most other teams.

    Losing Lin, like or _hate_ him, has made the current team weaker,
    cos he hasnt been replaced, yet.

    He was one of the better performing player in the playoffs.
    People remember that turnover in Game 4, but forget that the
    game still went into OT after that.
    And I am guessing McH punished him by not playing him at all in OT.
    So he didnt get his chance to redeem himself.
    Remember that this player had got 7 points in the OT in game 1.
    In hindsight, it may have been a mistake to have done that.

    So as it stands, a snapshot of the team right now, in my opinion is quite weaker.

    But it's still July. Morey might still pull a few more rabbits out
    of his hat and I might change my mind then when I see what capable
    replacements he's got.
     
  18. Houst0ne

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    Nice Write up Calcium. That was the right splash of Orange Juice.
     
  19. Centerville

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    Hmm. I thought it was a softball interview that provided basically no new insight on Morey's moves this offseason.

    - So Morey "knew" his chances of landing a top free agent were much lower than last year. Okay, why? And given that he "knew" this, why not pick up Parsons' option to mitigate what he obviously identified as a very high-risk strategy? Worst case, if he is unable to sign a top FA -- as he claims to have expected -- he has a valuable asset to leverage in a trade.

    - We're going to emphasize defense from the "head coach on down." Great...what does that mean? What is McHale going to do differently? What moves is Morey making to add defensive talent to the coaching staff? What role will they play?

    I could go on, but I won't. I think Morey has done a very good job, but to my mind there's really no point to these PR pieces. It would be nice to get some actual journalism for a change.
     
  20. iconoclastic

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    Who exactly is going to be our playmaker from the bench when Harden is on the sidelines? Canaan?!?
     

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