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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by edwardc, Feb 10, 2017.

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Do you think it right for this to happen now

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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    64.3%
  1. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    Well, there ya go. lol
     
  2. Deckard

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    In my opinion, absolutely. Clutch doesn't care about the politics (or the other topics) discussed here, no matter how absurd some of the discussions might be, or if he does, he wisely keeps his opinions (usually) to himself. Racist comments? Racist adjectives? He has never allowed those. Perhaps it took a bit, but Dei had been "asking" for the hammer for a long time. Clutch is an incredibly busy man. That he has any time at all for this forum should be a surprise. Heck, this forum exists to keep all that crap out of the rest of the BBS and, thank goodness, it works pretty damn well.
     
  3. kevC

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    So "spic" gets you banned (which post did he actually say this? Can't find it. Was it deleted?), but "dog-eater" is a-okay? I will say this, Dei was a lot more nuanced with his racism. Maybe that's the difference.
     
  4. DFWRocket

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    Here's AP's fact check on the current immigration raids. Interesting stuff. Apparently they're only targeting people with serious criminal records and convictions.

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ap-fact-check-immigration-raids-182000887.html

    LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Advocacy groups and the White House say that people suspected of living in the United States illegally are being rounded up in large numbers as part of stepped-up enforcement under President Donald Trump. Advocates cited what they call heavy-handed raids in Atlanta, Chicago, New York, Texas and North Carolina and elsewhere.

    Yet officials from Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the agency conducting the raids, say the efforts are business as usual — no different than what happened on a regular basis during the Obama years.

    So which is it? The truth lies somewhere in between. Here are some of the facts surrounding what's happening with immigration enforcement:

    TRUMP VS. OBAMA

    As a candidate, Donald Trump vowed to take a hard line on immigration. Five days after taking office, he signed a sweeping executive order that made clear that just about any immigrant living in the country illegally could be a priority for deportation, particularly those with outstanding deportation orders. The president's order also said enforcement priorities would include convicted criminals, immigrants who had been arrested for any criminal offense, those who committed fraud and anyone who may have committed a crime, including immigration violations.

    Under President Barack Obama, the government focused on immigrants in the country illegally who posed a threat to national security or public safety and recent border crossers. But despite the narrower focus, more than 2 million people were deported during Obama's time in office, including a record of more than 409,000 people in 2012. At one point, his critics dubbed him the "deporter in chief."

    The record was reached with the help of the Secure Communities program that helped the government identify immigrants in the United States illegally who had been arrested. In the latter half of Obama's tenure the Secure Communities program fell out of favor with the administration and local jurisdictions, and deportations plummeted to lows matching those during former President George W. Bush's term.

    ARE THE LATEST RAIDS A DIRECT RESULT OF TRUMP'S ORDER?

    Immigration officials said they weren't. But Trump, during a press conference Monday with Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, bragged that his administration was following through on his campaign pledge and targeting "the bad ones." He said immigration authorities focused on immigrants in the country illegally "with a tremendous track record of abuse and problems and we are getting them out."

    "I said at the beginning we are going to get the bad ones, the really bad ones, we are going to get them out," Trump said.

    David Marin, Immigration and Customs Enforcement's field office director for enforcement and removal operations in greater Los Angeles, said the agency carries out these operations two or three times a year in his region. The California operation was in the planning stages "before the administration came out with their current executive orders," he said.

    But immigrant rights groups say the actions are harsher than in the past.

    Advocates began fielding calls Thursday from immigrants and their lawyers reporting raids at homes and businesses in the greater Los Angeles area. In one instance, agents showed up at the home of a 50-year-old house painter named Manuel Mosqueda in the Los Angeles suburbs, looking to arrest an immigrant who wasn't there. In the process, they spoke with Mosqueda, arrested him and put him on a bus to Mexico — though lawyers were able to halt his deportation and bring him back.

    In all, Immigration and Customs Enforcement arrested 680 immigrants. Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly said everyone arrested posed "a threat to public safety, border security or the integrity of our nation's immigration system."

    Kelly said about 75 percent of the people arrested were criminals convicted of a variety of crimes, including "homicide, aggravated sexual abuse, sexual assault of a minor, lewd and lascivious acts with a child, indecent liberties with a minor, drug trafficking, battery, assault, DUI and weapons charges."

    ICE had previously called the arrests an "enforcement surge" that was no different than enforcement actions carried out in the past and said a "rash of recent reports about purported ICE checkpoints and random sweeps are false, dangerous and irresponsible." In a statement, the agency said "officers frequently encounter additional suspects who may be in the United States in violation of the federal immigration laws. Those persons will be evaluated on a case-by-case basis and, when appropriate, arrested by ICE."

    THE NEW NORMAL?

    Despite the claims that this is business as usual, an indication of the changed tactics came earlier in the week when Kelly testified before Congress. He told lawmakers that immigration agents expressed frustration at not being fully allowed to enforce immigration laws under the Obama administration. He predicted Trump's directives would end that frustration.

    "I think their morale has suffered because of the job they were hired to do, and then in their sense, they're ... kind of hobbled or, you know, hands tied behind their back, that kind of thing," Kelly told the House Homeland Security Committee. "And now, they feel more positive about things. I bet if you watch the morale issue, you'll ... be surprised going forward."

    Acting ICE Director Thomas Homan, who was previously in charge of the agency's enforcement and removal operations, earlier this month made a point of noting that his agents would enforce the law.

    In at least one case, it seems clear that Trump's order changed someone's fate. Guadalupe Garcia de Rayos, a mother of two in Phoenix, was arrested nearly a decade ago for using a false ID to get a job as a janitor at an amusement park. She pleaded guilty to a felony charge, but the government during the Obama years declined to deport her despite her being in the country illegally and a judge's order that she leave. On Wednesday, she showed up at the ICE building in Phoenix for a scheduled check-in with immigration officers and was swiftly deported to Mexico
     
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