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Estate Tax: how is it fair?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Depressio, Jul 9, 2012.

  1. Granville

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    And where did I say it should be tax exempt?

    You got punked, deal with it.
     
  2. Granville

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    Only I wasn't referring to the estate tax but Lil Sammy's whining about the OP inheriting money because of someone's birth.
     
  3. Hightop

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    Becuase it's their property, not yours. Plain and simple, ****head commie.
     
  4. SamFisher

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    Ah so you are in favor of the estate tax then? Welcome to the side of sound policy. :)

    Why are you in favor of it?

    Redistributive reasons, revenue reasons or
    other reasons (aversion to dead hand control? )

    I think all of the above - interested to hear your thoughts.
     
  5. Major

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    Your parents' property is not your property.
     
  6. Hightop

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    If they give it to me it is. Is sure as hell not yours. Commies suck ass.
     
  7. Air Langhi

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    It isn't, but what is fair about life?
     
  8. Granville

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    Admit you got punked son.
     
  9. Bandwagoner

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    Inheritance comes from people working specifically to build it for their family unlike lotto. Income tax isn't near 55% so I don't think that comparison works either.

    Don't the Buffalo Bills have a similar problem?
     
  10. SamFisher

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    Im sure this explanation works well when you explain to the clerk at Kroger that you don't need to pay sales tax on the box of douche as it is "yours" because you paid for it
     
  11. Bandwagoner

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    If a douche has medicine it isn't taxable. Not that I have ever bought a douche.
     
  12. Hightop

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    A ale is a sale. My deceased father sold me nothing. The only thing you deserve of his is the the barrel of his gun to your head.
     
  13. SamFisher

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    Estate tax doesn't fall on people who worked for it, it technically falls on the estate itself which affects the heirs - who did not work for it.

    Not really relevat though as "working specifically to build it" doesn't seem like a meaningful ir workable grounds for exemption.

    Income tax also doesn't have a homestead exemption and kicks in well before 1mm.

    Anyhow the argument against appears to be that there's something wrong with the estate tax- Not that it woyld be more fair at 39 instead of 55.
     
  14. SamFisher

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    Come at me brah
     
  15. Bandwagoner

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    I think it is relevant when it comes to comparisons to the lottery. The motivation for someone building a large estate is to provide for their offspring.
     
  16. Granville

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    Hightop, you will litterally have to shoot from the hip if you want to aim from a level position.
     
  17. Ubiquitin

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    Granville are you from Ohio?
     
  18. Hightop

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    [​IMG]

    Read the 10 Planks of The Communist Manifesto to discover the truth and learn how to know your enemy...

    Karl Marx describes in his communist manifesto, the ten steps necessary to destroy a free enterprise system and replace it with a system of omnipotent government power, so as to effect a communist socialist state. Those ten steps are known as the Ten Planks of The Communist Manifesto… The following brief presents the original ten planks within the Communist Manifesto written by Karl Marx in 1848, along with the American adopted counterpart for each of the planks. From comparison it's clear MOST Americans have by myths, fraud and deception under the color of law by their own politicians in both the Republican and Democratic and parties, been transformed into Communists.

    Another thing to remember, Karl Marx in creating the Communist Manifesto designed these planks AS A TEST to determine whether a society has become communist or not. If they are all in effect and in force, then the people ARE practicing communists.

    Communism, by any other name is still communism, and is VERY VERY destructive to the individual and to the society!!

    The 10 PLANKS stated in the Communist Manifesto and some of their American counterparts are...

    3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
    Americans call it Federal & State estate Tax (1916); or reformed Probate Laws, and limited inheritance via arbitrary inheritance tax statutes.

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    Why Won't Congress Abolish the Estate Tax?

    by Ron Paul

    The U.S. Senate had a golden opportunity to repeal the federal estate tax last week, but fell a few votes short. I fear that vote might represent the high-water mark in the movement to get rid of this destructive tax once and for all.

    Fortunately, estate taxes no longer devour 60% of some individuals' wealth when they die. Congress passed legislation in 2001 that reduced estate tax rates and increased the amount of assets exempt from the tax. Yet Congress has been unable to abolish the estate tax altogether, and, due to a political compromise the old rates will be back in effect come 2011 unless Congress acts first.

    The estate tax raises very little money. In fact, even at its height the estate tax accounted for only a little more than 1% of federal revenues. A congressional Joint Economic committee report estimates that Americans spend as much avoiding estate taxes — paying attorneys and accountants — as they do paying estate taxes. A study by a Stanford professor concluded that “True revenues associated with estate taxation may well have been near zero, or even negative.”

    It's no longer a matter of tax policy or economics — the arguments in favor of the estate tax have all been demolished. Instead, the estate tax survives purely because of politics.

    The real motivation behind the estate tax is a deep-seated hostility to property rights, and a misguided fear of family dynasties. But people don't keep money in mattresses anymore. Money inherited from an estate is either spent, saved, or invested — all of which are better for the economy than sending it to Washington, where bureaucratic overhead consumes at least 50 cents of every dollar.

    If you truly own your property, you have the right to dispose of it any way you wish. You can sell it, give it away, or direct who will receive it when you die. This control is the essence of property rights. If you can't control what happens to your property, you don't really own it.

    That's why the estate tax is so destructive. Since people don't want the government controlling their property when they die, they twist themselves into pretzels finding ways to avoid turning assets over to the IRS. Some create elaborate trusts to minimize their taxes, supporting the economically wasteful estate-planning industry. Others simply lose their entrepreneurial spark, stop working, and spend their money — succumbing to a “die broke” attitude.

    Again, the issue is control. People who have worked hard to build wealth simply cannot stand to see government take a big chunk of their assets when they die, so they do anything they can — even economically harmful things — to prevent it. This is what supporters of the estate tax cannot seem to understand.

    For smaller, family-owned farms and ranches, the estate tax is especially threatening. Such operations may be worth several million dollars when the value of land, livestock, buildings, and equipment are considered. Yet when the owner dies, his heirs often do not have liquid cash to pay a hefty tax bill. As a result, all or part of the family business may be sold to pay the IRS. This has accelerated the trend toward corporate ownership of American farms and ranches.

    As William Beach at the Heritage Foundation summarizes, the estate tax does four things — all of which are bad for the economy and frankly un-American:

    First, it discourages savings and investment.

    Second, it undermines job creation and wage growth.

    Third, it stifles investment.

    Fourth, it contradicts a central premise of American life, namely, building wealth and “getting ahead.”

    For all of these reasons, it's time to get rid of the estate tax once and for all.

    June 14, 2006
     
  19. SamFisher

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    Not really sure that I get your argument. A tax exempt lotto would presumably encourage more participants than a taxed one. So what?
     
  20. Granville

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    No, from Texas.
     

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