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[ESPN Insider] Todd McShay Mock 3.0

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Trader_Jorge said: ↑

Pro Football Focus has Corey Coleman (WR) as the #1 underrated prospect in the draft. They accurately predicted Tyler Lockett's breakout season by ranking him the top graded WR last year.

The Texans have invested so much in WR over the past few drafts, with a first rounder in Hopkins and then trading up for Strong last year. But if Coleman can be even a poor man's OBJ or Steve Smith, then The_Conquistador is fine with that. I'd also be OK with Cody Whitehair for the line, also mentioned in the article below, and someone who has been mocked to the Texans in other draft predictions.

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1. Corey Coleman, Baylor

Coleman stands out as the top receiver in a class short on top-end talent. Questions about his height were answered when he checked in at 5-11 and produced a 40-and-a-half-inch vertical jump at the scouting combine in Indianapolis. A talented player with the ball in his hands, Coleman forced 13 missed tackles on 74 receptions in 2015, and was the nation’s leader in yards per route run prior to Baylor’s top two quarterbacks going down with injuries. If there is a knock on him, it’s the reliability of his hands — he dropped 10 passes last season.

2. Josh Doctson, TCU

Doctson ran a 4.50 40-yard dash at the combine, and does lack true deep speed, but there’s a lot to like when you look at his film. A big target at 6-2, he had a vertical leap of 41 inches in Indianapolis, showcasing the leaping ability that saw him go up and win the ball time and time again. He dropped just six of the 84 catchable passes thrown his way in 2015, and has shown himself capable of making circus catches in his time at TCU.

3. Laquon Treadwell, Ole Miss

Treadwell has seen his star fall slightly after finishing the 2015 season, when many were calling him a top-10 draft pick. On tape he looks to lack the speed-to-gain separation, and he opted not to run the 40 at the scouting combine. While he may struggle getting separation downfield, he’s as good as anyone in this draft class at using his body to shield defenders away from the ball on slants, and he forced 31 missed tackles over the past two seasons — proving he can make things happen after the catch.

4. Leonte Carroo, Rutgers

When breaking down Carroo’s tape, it at times felt like you were watching two completely different players. When fully healthy he was up there with the best receivers in this class, but the drop-off when he was coming back from injury was severe. Despite that, he still managed to force seven missed tackles on 39 receptions in 2015, and had an impressive one-handed grab in his final game of the year against Maryland to add some wow factor.

5. Sterling Shepard, Oklahoma

The tough thing to project with Shepard is whether or not he’ll only be a slot receiver in the NFL. At 5-10 you would think so, and that’s where he saw 69 percent of his snaps in 2015, but we also saw a player who had the ability to track the deep ball very well and go up and win one-on-one battles versus corners when he had to. He was second among all receivers with a 3.17 yards per-route-run average from the slot, and looks to be a good slot receiver at worst, but perhaps with the potential to be much more. Like Tyler Lockett the year before him, Sterling ranked No. 1 in PFF wide receiver grades.
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Confusing about Shepard there being listed as # 5 but ranked # 1 I like him in the second after Vernon Butler in the first.

#81 Phillyrocket, Mar 14, 2016

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I still like Tyler Boyd and Kenny lawler as under the radar targets.

#82 Rudyc281, Mar 14, 2016
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Cris Collinsworth's mock draft

1. Los Angeles Rams (Trade from Tennessee) Carson Wentz, QB, North Dakota State
2. Cleveland Browns: Jared Goff, QB, California
3. San Diego Chargers: Laremy Tunsil, OT, Ole Miss
4. Dallas Cowboys: Joey Bosa, DE, Ohio State
5. Jacksonville Jaguars: Jalen Ramsey, CB, Florida State
6. Baltimore Ravens: Myles Jack, LB, UCLA
7. San Francisco 49ers: DeForest Buckner, DE, Oregon Ducks
8. Philadelphia Eagles: Ronnie Stanley, OT, Notre Dame
9. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Vernon Hargreaves III, CB, Florida
10. New York Giants: Corey Coleman, WR, Baylor
11. Chicago Bears: Jack Conklin, OT, Michigan State
12. New Orleans Saints: Shaq Lawson, DE, Clemson Tigers
13. Miami Dolphins: Mackensie Alexander, CB, Clemson
14. Oakland Raiders: Sheldon Rankins, DT, Louisville
15. Tennessee Titans (trade from Rams): Josh Doctson, WR, TCU
16. Detroit Lions: Robert Nkemdiche, DT, Ole Miss
17. Atlanta Falcons: Leonard Floyd, LB, Georgia
18. Indianapolis Colts: A’Shawn Robinson, DE, Alabama
19. Buffalo Bills: Noah Spence, DE, Eastern Kentucky
20. New York Jets: Taylor Decker, OT, Ohio State
21. Washington: William Jackson III, CB, Houston
22. Houston Texans: Ezekiel Elliott, RB, Ohio State

Yes, the Texans just signed Lamar Miller from the Dolphins, but this is a league where teams want two backs. With Brock Osweiler now the quarterback, Bill O’Brien will want to take pressure off of him with a top running game. The bonus is he will also have two backs who are receiving threats out of the backfield. Elliott is a very complete player. We spent 10 minutes watching his runs and I said, “Okay I get it, I know he can run — but can he block and catch?” By the time we finished watching those breakdowns, I was ready to put him in my top 10. He is a very impressive player and I think he will be a star in the NFL. Most of these young backs are never asked to block in college, and while Elliott isn’t devastating, he has heart and will stand his ground.
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23. Minnesota Vikings: Cody Whitehair, G, Kansas State
24. Cincinnati Bengals: Will Fuller, WR, Notre Dame
25. Pittsburgh Steelers: Eli Apple, CB, Ohio State
26. Seattle Seahawks: Ryan Kelly, C, Alabama
27. Green Bay Packers: Reggie Ragland, LB, Alabama
28. Kansas City Chiefs: Jarran Reed, DL, Alabama
29. Arizona Cardinals: Shilique Calhoun, DE, Michigan State
30. Carolina Panthers: Laquon Treadwell, WR, Ole Miss
31. Denver Broncos: Jason Spriggs, OT, Indiana
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#83 J.R., Mar 15, 2016
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Oh, if only this would happen. A man can only dream.

#84 Nimo, Mar 15, 2016
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Oh, if only this would happen. A man can only dream.
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This is all assuming the Rams get the first pick. I bet philly or NYG takes Elliot if the cowboys don't

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Per sources with multiple teams they have hard party drug concerns with <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/OhioState?src=hash">#OhioState</a> DE Joey Bosa & RB Ezekiel Elliott <a href="https://t.co/rGxt2LdqaQ">https://t.co/rGxt2LdqaQ</a></p>— Charlie Campbell (@DraftCampbell) <a href="https://twitter.com/DraftCampbell/status/709778757398237185">March 15, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Per sources with multiple teams they have hard party drug concerns with <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/OhioState?src=hash">#OhioState</a> DE Joey Bosa & RB Ezekiel Elliott <a href="https://t.co/rGxt2LdqaQ">https://t.co/rGxt2LdqaQ</a></p>— Charlie Campbell (@DraftCampbell) <a href="https://twitter.com/DraftCampbell/status/709778757398237185">March 15, 2016</a></blockquote>
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http://www.walterfootball.com/nfldraftrumormill.php#sRMecO5eZksV17ZG.99

Eastern Kentucky edge rusher Noah Spence was a standout pass-rusher at Ohio State before positive tests for the party drug ecstasy led to him being kicked out of the program. At the Senior Bowl, teams interviewed Spence about his issues at Ohio State, and while he wouldn't name names, he said that he wasn't the only Buckeye player who was using ecstasy while partying. In speaking with sources at multiple teams, two of the players that teams suspect for that type of partying are defensive end Joey Bosa and running back Ezekiel Elliott.

To be clear, neither player had a positive drug test for ecstasy or molly (MDMA). However, Bosa was suspended for the opening game of the 2016 NFL season. Ohio State didn't clarify the exact offense for the suspension, but Bosa told teams during the NFL Combine interviews that he was suspended because he refused to take a drug test. That counted as a positive and thus he was automatically slapped with the suspension.

Bosa told teams that he wouldn't take the test because he was going to test positive for adderall. He is said to have ADHD or ADD, so teams wouldn't have held that positive test for adderall against him and they feel he should have just gotten a prescription for the medication. Teams believe that Bosa knew he was going to test positive for worse drugs and that is why he refused to take the test. Bosa wouldn't admit to using ecstasy or molly, but he did admit that he likes to attend raves. He claimed that he likes going to raves for the "music," which teams found to be very questionable. Molly and ecstasy are common drugs used at raves.

At Ohio State, Bosa was a roommate with Ezekiel Elliott. Apparently, their shared place was a party destination, and Bosa told teams that he had to move out and get his own place to get away from all the parties that Elliott had going on. Sources say they suspect that Elliott was also using molly and ecstasy while parting. A number of Elliott's teammates in the Combine interviews told teams that Elliott was a partier, and a unique individual. They said they hung out with him some, but he rubbed some the wrong way. Sources from multiple teams said that Elliott didn't interview well at the Combine, while Bosa had mixed feedback. The skepticism of why he goes to raves and the refusal of the drug test bothered some evaluators.

Lastly, teams said they don't expect these concerns to have an impact on the draft stock of either player. They firmly expect Bosa to go in the top 10 and Elliott to be selected in the top 20. Sources don't believe either is a candidate to slide. Teams in the 20s expect Elliott to be long gone, while sources with the Titans have said that Bosa is still in the running for the No. 1 overall pick to Tennessee, but Florida State defensive back Jalen Ramsey is the current leader with the Titans (see below). While teams suspect Bosa and Elliott of using those drugs, they don't have view them as risks like Randy Gregory last year. Teams don't think that Bosa and Elliott are serious candidates to be landing suspensions and testing positive in the NFL. Thus, both should be high draft picks in the 2016 NFL Draft.
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Did he really just post that?

He just made it less likely that the Texans pick him.

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WTF? What does this mean? Why would he post this?

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Did he really just post that?

He just made it less likely that the Texans pick him.
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Content unavailable now. What was it?

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Will fuller Photoshopping himself into a Texans jersey and tweeted at Jaelen Strong as well

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WTF? What does this mean? Why would he post this?
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Prob just having a little fun, not a big deal.

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Prob just having a little fun, not a big deal.
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If not, why did he delete it?

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http://www.si.com/nfl/2016/03/16/nfl-mock-draft-2016-order-rankings-sleepers

JOSH DOCTSON
WR, TCU
Quarterback was the obvious fit here, until the Texans signed Brock Osweiler. The offensive line also has been cleaned up with guard Jeff Allen arriving and swing tackle Chris Clark re-signing. So that leaves running back and wide receiver as potential trouble spots. The value here is at WR, and with Doctson in particular. He would make some huge plays with defenses worried about DeAndre Hopkins.

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If not, why did he delete it?
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If true, are we a destination team now?

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People post and delete stuff all the time. Could also just be agent telling him to take it down as well. Team specific tweets don't help anything when you're basically trying to go to the highest bidder.

Just wouldn't read too much into it.

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People post and delete stuff all the time. Could also just be agent telling him to take it down as well. Team specific tweets don't help anything when you're basically trying to go to the highest bidder.

Just wouldn't read too much into it.
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What I read into it is that it was a dumb move. I actually think it reduces the chances that the Texans pick him.

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Texans?src=hash">#Texans</a> HC Bill O'Brien steps in to tell Corey Coleman what routes he wants in WR drills</p>— RosterWatch (@RosterWatch) <a href="https://twitter.com/RosterWatch/status/710180086633205760">March 16, 2016</a></blockquote>
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What I read into it is that it was a dumb move. I actually think it reduces the chances that the Texans pick him.
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Why would that reduce his chances? If the Texans like him, I don't think posting a photoshopped pic of him in a Texans uni is going to stop them.

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