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[ESPN] Hollinger Rates Swift Third Best Offseason Signing

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Bullard4Life, Aug 12, 2005.

  1. Bullard4Life

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    3. Houston Rockets sign Stromile Swift (five years, $29 million, 18.9 pts, 2.9 bks, 16.70 PER)
    Swift actually had an off-year last season -- the numbers from the previous two seasons were even more impressive. That is a good omen for the Rockets, who were trotting out Juwan Howard and Maurice Taylor last season in their attempts to pass them off as NBA power forwards. Don't see the big difference? Swift averaged 2.9 blocks per 40 minutes, while Howard blocked five all last season.

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&id=2132254&num=2
     
  2. apostolic3

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    Can you post the entire article?

    Based on what you posted, this guy is giving JH some serious disrespect. We found out how important he was after he went down, and we don't know yet that Swift will do better.
     
  3. dharocks

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    Howard was important because he was by far the best option we had at PF (off topic, but I think JVG maybe mishandled the Taylor situation)... But Swift should be a major upgrade. Especially because of the shotblocking element that Hollinger mentioned.
     
  4. Bullard4Life

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    Here's the whole thing. Hollinger looks at it not just from contract perspectives but the overall move the team made. When you look what the Rocks did, giving up nothing but cash to get a great player, I have to agree that the Swift move was in the top three easily.


    10. New York Knicks get Quentin Richardson (five years, $37 million, 14.9 pts, 6.1 reb, 13.59 PER)
    Richardson isn't a great player, but here's why I like the deal. First, the Knicks got him for Kurt Thomas (PER 14.15), who was better than Richardson last year but probably won't be over the next few seasons because he's eight years older than Q. Second, the Knicks got whirling Nate Robinson in the deal, solving the Knicks' backup point guard woes with one stroke. Faint praise though it may be, this was the best trade of the Isiah Thomas era.

    9. Milwaukee Bucks overpay Michael Redd (six years, $90 million, 24.2 pts, 4.4 reb, 18.30 PER)
    Because of some unusual salary cap rules, things are not always as they seem in the contract game. For example, look at the deal the Bucks gave Redd. Based purely on his performance, this is a horrible contract because Redd isn't worth nearly this kind of money.

    But here's the twist: Because Redd made so little last season and wasn't on a rookie contract, his "cap hold" was very small. As a result, the Bucks could sign another player under the cap -- Bobby Simmons, in this case -- and still max out Redd with the Larry Bird exception. Had Redd jumped ship, they couldn't have done this with any other player. That means they could have either paid through the nose to keep Redd or not gotten anybody. Faced with those choices and the Cavaliers' hot pursuit of Redd, this deal made all kinds of sense.

    8. Washington Wizards sign Antonio Daniels (five years, $29 million, 16.7 pts, 6.1 ast, 18.08 PER)
    Although Daniels has been a terror off the bench for Seattle the past two seasons, he's gotten little acclaim for his achievements. Thus, his deal with Washington is a fantastic value for the Wizards based on his past performance. Better yet, Daniels was uncharacteristically inaccurate on 3-pointers a year ago, suggesting he could do even better this year. The only reason this deal doesn't rank higher is because Daniels is 30 years old and the effects of age on his play remain to be seen.

    7. Atlanta Hawks sign Zaza Pachulia (four years, $16 million, 13.1 pts, 10.2 reb, 14.32 PER)
    Pachulia is only 21 years old, so if he isn't pulling a Rafael Furcal on us and lying about his age he's probably going to get a lot better. Pachulia wasn't a bad player even last year, with his soft hands and skill around the rim compensating for below-average athleticism. But his deal is inexpensive enough that he's a good value even if he doesn't improve at all.

    6. Sacramento Kings get Jason Hart (two years, $3.5 million, 15.0 pts. 7.8 ast, 16.87 PER)
    For the low, low cost of a second-round pick, the Kings picked up one of the game's best backup point guards from Charlotte. Most people don't realize how well Hart played last season because he did it in the obscurity of an expansion team, but he was better than many team's starters. Acquiring Hart became necessary when the Kings dealt an injury-prone Bobby Jackson to Memphis for Bonzi Wells, and the move again demonstrated why Geoff Petrie is one of the league's best general managers.

    5. Washington Wizards get Caron Butler (one year, $2 million, 17.4 pts, 6.6 reb, 15.77 PER)

    Gotta give Ernie Grunfeld props for this one. He took a commodity he had no interest in keeping, Kwame Brown, and parlayed it into a starting small forward in Butler and a backup point guard in Chucky Atkins. Butler's overall numbers are impressive enough, but his April performance really jumps off the page: 22.8 points, 7.6 boards, and 2.2 steals.

    4. New Orleans Hornets keep Chris Andersen (details unknown, 14.3 pts, 11.5 reb, 18.54 PER)
    Andersen was a steal last year too when he signed a two-year deal for just $3 million. He opted out this summer and re-signed with the Hornets, and it's a good deal for them regardless of what they paid. The Birdman was easily New Orleans' best player last season (except for at the dunk contest), shooting 53 percent and averaging nearly three blocks per 40 minutes. Why Byron Scott played him only 21 minutes a game is a mystery that may never be solved.

    3. Houston Rockets sign Stromile Swift (five years, $29 million, 18.9 pts, 2.9 bks, 16.70 PER)
    Swift actually had an off-year last season -- the numbers from the previous two seasons were even more impressive. That is a good omen for the Rockets, who were trotting out Juwan Howard and Maurice Taylor last season in their attempts to pass them off as NBA power forwards. Don't see the big difference? Swift averaged 2.9 blocks per 40 minutes, while Howard blocked five all last season.

    2. Cleveland Cavaliers sign Donyell Marshall (four years, $21 million, 18.2 pts, 10.4 reb, 19.92 PER)
    How could Cleveland get such a good player so cheaply? Better yet, how could a lousy team like Toronto keep this guy out of its starting lineup? Marshall is a rare triple threat -- a deadly 3-point shooter (41.6 percent at a high volume) who also gets points inside and is a good rebounder. He gives the Cavs the sharpshooter they desperately need to help spread the floor, and also is nice insurance if Drew Gooden starts acting loopy.

    1. Miami Heat get Jason Williams (14.7 pts, 8.2 ast, 15.48 PER), Antoine Walker (19.9 pts, 9.4 pts, 15.41 PER), and James Posey (11.7 pts, 6.3 reb, 10.48 PER)
    I have one minor quibble about this move -- the Heat gave Antoine Walker a six-year, $54 million deal as part of the trade, and that's far more than he's worth. But the rest of the deal stacks up so well for Miami that it's still a home run. The Heat lacked three things last year -- a perimeter stopper, a point guard who could create shots, and a reliable scoring option outside of Shaq and Wade. Pat Riley put check marks next to all three items on his shopping list with this deal, getting a stopper in Posey (whose PER was terrible last year because of a foot problem), a point man in Williams and a scorer in Walker. Amazingly, it cost him only Eddie Jones (14.3 pts, 5.7 reb, 13.59 PER). If the Heat end up winning their first-ever title this June, this trade is likely to be the reason.
     
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    Since when did we get him for a 5 year deal? Did I miss that info? I thought that the contract details had not been released yet, but the leaked info was that it was a 3 year deal. What's up?
     
  6. droxford

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    I'd say our Swift signing was the second best, behind Miami's excellent deal. The Donyell-Marshall-to-Cleveland signing wasn't better than the Swift signing, though I think it would rank a close third.
     
  7. Bullard4Life

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    I agree based on potential. Marshall is older and will likely begin to produce less while Swift will has some tremendous upside po-tential. However, I think that next year Marshall will probably put up better numbers. In the long run, Swift is the better deal. But hey, Hollinger is a straight numbers guy.
     
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    The contract was 4 years with the last a player option.

    Is there any setup to this article we are missing? I know Hollinger is a stats guy but where is he getting these stats?

    18.9 pts? 2.9 blks? 16.7 PER? Are these projections for next year? They certainly are not for last year.
     
  9. tiger0330

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    A lot of expectations surronding Hollingers #1 offseason deal. Bold move by Riley, he is a dealmaker, pulls off the Shaq deal and gets the Heat to the East finals. Pulls off this trade and this should get them to the NBA finals? Maybe, maybe not but they will be fun to watch and talk about this season.
     
  10. StupidMoniker

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    I think all of the stats are normalized to 40 minutes per game with no change in production per minute.
     
  11. Axeman

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    Reading that post about the Miami deal made it hit home. That is a HELL of a deal. I would not be surprised at all to see them in the Finals. With Larry Brown gone from Detroit, if Shaq can stay reasonably healthy that team is darned scary...

    Jason Williams
    Haslem
    Antoine Walker
    Dwayne Wade
    Shaq

    BENCH:
    Damon Jones (if he's still there)
    Posey
    Doleac (who is a good backup who can hit shots like crazy)

    That is a sick team. Heck of a deal by Riley for sure.
     
  12. m_cable

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    I just want to say one thing: Juwan Howard blocked HOW many shots last year?

    FIVE?!?!

    He had less blocks than Wesley, Sura, Barry, Padge and Spoon. Not put together, but individually. Less blocks than BARRY. That is embarrasing.

    It just makes me appreciate JVG's defensive system, and the two headed monster of Yao/Deke that much more, for making the Rockets one of the top defensive teams despite starting a PF that has NO ability to change/block shots.

    I can't wait until we plug in Swift.
     
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    I don't see how the Miami deal was so great. I think Antoine Walker will flourish but I don't see what purpose adding Posey and Jason Williams had. They could have just as easily signed Walker to their MLE or worked a sign and trade for him. But now, they end up having to overpay Walker to make the trade work financially.

    They have no use for Williams and Posey and are really going to regret taking on those salaries in a year. What do they need Jason Williams for? They already have Dwayne Wade as a penetrating guard. Williams does not shoot spot up 3's either, something they need in their offense and something Damon Jones provided. Williams gets his 3's off the dribble or in transition. They needed a disciplined point guard who could dump the ball into Shaq and hit the 3. With Shaq already complaining after the season that he didn't get enough touches, we'll see where they get with this.

    As far as Posey, he's horrible. Except for his season under Hubie where he somehow learned how to shoot, he has not been a good basketball player. We always dogged Francis and Mobley for being stupid players, but Posey was a huge part of the problem. He had to be one of the worst passers I've ever seen. He's a perimeter player who can't shoot, who can't dribble, can't pass, and makes bad decisions and he's making $6million. That's not a good combo. I don't know where this perception developed that he's a defensive stopper. I remembered he would regularly get torched by the elite swingmen in the league when he was with us and I don't remember him shutting anyone down. He was just a good hustle player who worked hard, ran the floor, had athleticism, and was a very good rebounder for a small forward. A glorified garbage man. I am very glad CD did not resign him.

    The Heat will no doubt he improved because I think Antoine Walker's passing will be a huge boost, but they did not need the other 2 guys.
     
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    cabbage, I disagree with your asessment of the Miami trade. I agree the Grizz gave Posey way too much money (which is their habit). I guess he is close to done. When healthy, I still like him. He isn't terrible.

    Jason Williams will be the starting PG for the Heat if Damon Jones goes to Cleveland, which is very possible. While he doesn't shoot the spot up 3 like Damon, Williams can penetrate, dish and actually make a few plays. He's better on the fast break also. If SVG (and Riley eventually) can get him to play sane, he is a BIG upgrade. Damon benefitted from playing the PG position and acting like more of a SG because he let Wade do everything. Because of last year, he is overrated by many. He won't be as good a player on another team.

    I don't know about AW. If he shoves Haslem aside and gets 30 MPG, he should be fine. If he isn't on the floor enough, I don't know if it will work. Clearly AW knows he is the 3rd man at best, but any lower than that and he could cause trouble.

    If the Heat sign Michael Finley, as rumors suggest, and keep Damon Jones (unlikely IMO), they will have too many players competing for time on the floor. This could be difficult to manage and give Riley an excuse to kick SVG aside.
     
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    OK

    So let me get this straight. We did just better than New Orleans keeping Chris Anderson? ummmm How did the Hornets do last year? That's what I thought.
     
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    I think Pat Riley is a terrible GM. He finally gets out from under the horrible contracts of Jones and Grant (good players - horrible contracts) and immedieatly takes on three more.
     
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    He got rid of him. How is that mishandling the situation?
     
  18. KellyDwyer

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    Thanks for posting, Bullard4life.
     
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    Otis Thorpe didn't block shots neither did malone,but noone denies they were good defenders.
     
  20. dharocks

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    How about sitting him on the bench with a bogus injury for weeks? I just don't think that that's the best way to deal with a situation.

    Would you argue that Howard is?
     

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