1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Election 2020

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by TheresTheDagger, May 13, 2020.

  1. leroy

    leroy Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2002
    Messages:
    26,405
    Likes Received:
    9,638
    Of course they're going to but it will be too late. They're too tied to trumpybear to make that play so late in the game.
     
    T_Man likes this.
  2. jiggyfly

    jiggyfly Member

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2015
    Messages:
    21,011
    Likes Received:
    16,853
    And alienate there support base?

    Not happening, if they lose the Trump base they will not be elected anyway and we know how spiteful those people are.
     
  3. T_Man

    T_Man Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2000
    Messages:
    6,541
    Likes Received:
    2,425
    Not happening if they keep them...

    T_Man
     
  4. No Worries

    No Worries Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 1999
    Messages:
    30,301
    Likes Received:
    17,247
  5. NewRoxFan

    NewRoxFan Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2002
    Messages:
    54,885
    Likes Received:
    54,831
    I am guessing senator collins is getting concerned...



    [​IMG]
     
    T_Man likes this.
  6. rocketsjudoka

    rocketsjudoka Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2007
    Messages:
    54,680
    Likes Received:
    42,799
    Some of these guys are likely doomed anyway but if they perceive that they can run on state issues and that while hardcore Trumpers might turn against them there might be enough people still willing to consider them as a conservative voice for their state but not a Trumper.

    It's not unusual for someone running to distance themselves from an unpopular leader of their party. Once they are past the primary they don't need to worry about a challenge from the extreme of their party. Once it's in the general they might feel that the more extreme members of the electorate might still vote for them as the choice of the lesser of two evils.

    For example Cory Gardner could speak out against Trump to try to win back some of the suburban vote that is very anti-Trump while still arguing to the Right that voting him will keep Schumer from becoming Majority Leader.
     
    T_Man likes this.
  7. T_Man

    T_Man Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2000
    Messages:
    6,541
    Likes Received:
    2,425
    Lincoln Project just keeps coming and coming and coming....

    T_Man
     
  8. T_Man

    T_Man Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2000
    Messages:
    6,541
    Likes Received:
    2,425
    The problem is that the GOP is so split and the Independents have essentially just left them...

    So if the Senators back Trump, they lose the conservatives.. If they go against Trump, they lose the Trumpers....



    Good Luck!!!


    T_Man
     
    jiggyfly likes this.
  9. Sweet Lou 4 2

    Sweet Lou 4 2 Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2007
    Messages:
    37,717
    Likes Received:
    18,919
    Georgia GOP made a Democrat Jewish nose bigger in an ad:
    [​IMG]
     
  10. rocketsjudoka

    rocketsjudoka Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2007
    Messages:
    54,680
    Likes Received:
    42,799
    I agree but we're talking about desperate times for these guys.
     
  11. NewRoxFan

    NewRoxFan Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2002
    Messages:
    54,885
    Likes Received:
    54,831
    trump is an albatross hanging around the neck...

    Republicans suddenly sweating falling deep into House minority
    GOP leaders tout their chances to win back the majority, but falling poll numbers for Trump have some worried they could lose seats in November.
    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/29/republicans-house-seats-385760
     
  12. T_Man

    T_Man Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2000
    Messages:
    6,541
    Likes Received:
    2,425
    YEP!!!!

    Nothing more scarier than a cornered animal....

    T_Man
     
    Andre0087 likes this.
  13. jiggyfly

    jiggyfly Member

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2015
    Messages:
    21,011
    Likes Received:
    16,853
    If Gardner speaks out against Trump where is his voting base?

    Democrats are not voting for him, he has been too tied with voting to Trump so the never Trumpers will not accept a mea culpa even if he wins
    back some suburban votes, the Trump base is out so where is his path to winning?
     
  14. rocketsjudoka

    rocketsjudoka Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2007
    Messages:
    54,680
    Likes Received:
    42,799
    He doesn't really have a path to winning staying with Trump. Gardner wasn't a Trump guy until after 2016. He shunned him during the 2016 election so he's certainly not a true believer and his tie to Trump has always been a matter of political expediency. His support from his last election did include suburban conservatives who still might support. Also conservatives don't really have much of an option now since they can't primary him. Gardner might very well represent Schumer taking over the Senate so the lesser of two evils argument might apply if Gardner can win back some of his suburban support.

    The odds are long against Gardner but not out of reach. If he stays with Trump he will likely certainly lose given that CO is polling very badly for Trump. He has no choice to but to take a risk on whether staying with Trump is better or going against him and hoping that hard core Conservatives won't abandon him while picking up some suburban voters.
     
  15. jiggyfly

    jiggyfly Member

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2015
    Messages:
    21,011
    Likes Received:
    16,853
    I agree he is ****ed but he has a greater chance by staying with Trump than turning the Trump vote against him.

    If goes against Trump he will also certainly lose, the suburban vote is not enough to overcome the democratic vote, how does he offset the Trump vote not voting for him?

    How does he win with never Trumpers and some of the suburban vote the numbers still don't add up and puts him in a worse position?
     
  16. NewRoxFan

    NewRoxFan Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2002
    Messages:
    54,885
    Likes Received:
    54,831
    Oh my gosh...

     
    FranchiseBlade likes this.
  17. rocketsjudoka

    rocketsjudoka Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2007
    Messages:
    54,680
    Likes Received:
    42,799
    The gamble is the Trump vote won't abandon him because he's the lesser of two evils and control of the senate is up for grabs.
     
  18. jiggyfly

    jiggyfly Member

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2015
    Messages:
    21,011
    Likes Received:
    16,853
    What's the better bet?

    Suburban voters go to him or Trump voters get pissed if he turns against him and doesn't vote?

    We are talking about a slice of voters vs his whole base.
     
  19. NewRoxFan

    NewRoxFan Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2002
    Messages:
    54,885
    Likes Received:
    54,831
    These polls can't be correct, because if they are, republicans have an even bigger problem...

     
  20. Invisible Fan

    Invisible Fan Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2001
    Messages:
    43,502
    Likes Received:
    25,501
    Why is the Trump base out? They still hate libs and the media more than they do a miserable failure whom they think has been successful at their causes.

    Throw in a couple more stimulus checks and hope the "death rate" is still low. Not even going to discuss what's going on w/ the markets...

    Lather, rinse, shift goal posts, lather some more, then burn all sense of common decency to the ground a week before polls open.

    RBG's seat is also in discussion. Either with a hypocritical Merrick Garland appointment or a more accurate "will of the people" vote.
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now