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Do any of you (besides me) believe in Jesus?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by K9Texan, Apr 23, 2024.

  1. IBTL

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    I see I said. Jealousy I said. Gettin' stoned everyday like Jesus did.
     
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    Some of it is in the Bible and other accounts came from other early church writings.
     
  3. JuanValdez

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    It's the same class of the law that governs what is kosher to eat. Jesus fulfilled the law and Paul had a vision instructing him to not call unclean that which has been made clean. So, christians shouldn't be worried about wearing two kinds of cloth together any more than they should worry about eating shellfish, as I understand it.

    Edit: it was Peter's vision, not Paul's.
     
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    The prohibition from wearing differing fabrics was directed at Jewish rabbis and related to their dress in that role.
     
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    That's pretty vague. It's not very good or convincing evidence those things actually happened.

    You might want to drill down on that. What year was the person martyred? Where? Why? Who witnessed their martyrdom? What year was it first claimed they were martyred? How much time transpired between the martyrdom and the first written account of the martyrdom? Who claims to have seen it? How many independent accounts are there of that persons martyrdom? Are there any records of it?

    Ask some questions bruh. There's 12 apostles. Go one by one. Provide some well evidenced answers. You are the one making the claim.
     
  6. K9Texan

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    It's surprising to most to learn that there is no commandment anywhere in the Bible that says that followers of Jesus must attend a physical church. Jesus's church is his body of followers rather than a denomination, worldly organization, or physical building.
     
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    You are free to research that for yourself. You are also obviously free to believe or disbelieve in Jesus.
     
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    The bans on seafood and pork made sense for itinerant tribes of nomadic desert dwellers, just not so much for modern humans.
     
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    I spent 12 years at Second Baptist School, I've read it cover to cover so let's not have a Bible Showdown if you don't mind. I have my thoughts and they are mine alone.
     
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    Are you always an ***hole?
     
  11. Buck Turgidson

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    Only when the demons tell me to be.
     
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    Xerobull You son of a b!tch! I'm in!

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    Thanks for clearing that up.
     
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    He is, yes. Lol.
     
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    You got me questioning myself, so I went to Leviticus 19 to check. That section is clearly meant for all 12 tribes of Israel. It starts with God saying to Moses, "Speak to all the congregation of the people of Israel" and has many instructions that echo the 10 commandments, which seem generally applicable. They also have instructions to not plow your fields to the very edges (for the same of the poor), and Levites were not even supposed to have land so I think it's aimed at the non-priests. And after the bit about mixing fabrics, it goes on to sexual sins, again generally applicable.
     
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    My explanation was poor. Here is a better explanation.

    https://www.catholic.com/qa/why-is-there-a-commandment-against-mixed-fabrics

    Some theologians believe they have found the answer in the Bible where we are told that the high priest wore a garment of mixed wool and linen (Ex. 28:6-8, 39:4-5). It is believed that precisely because this was the garment of the high priest it was forbidden for the average person to wear. Clothing of mixed wool and linen was exclusively for the high priest; it was considered a consecrated kind of clothing. For the average person on the street to wear it would be akin to a modern person walking around in a clerical collar or Mass vestments.

    We see something similar when it comes to the anointing oil used by the Israelites. The formula that was used was forbidden to be used for anything other than anointing oil (Ex. 30:31-38). The Jewish people were careful about making sure that things set aside for sacred use were not used for regular use.
     
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    I have also seen the argument that it was a pagan practice to mix fabrics, and that the Jews were warned that it was a form of idolatry to participate in it. And now, when we mix fabrics it isn't out of idolatry. Whatever the reason, Christians didn't just forget about it because it was inconvenient. Every verse has been analyzed to death.
     
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    Some OT verses are really out there at first glance but plausible explanations are found when one digs a little deeper. Unbelievers, of course, love to share such verses to mock the Bible.
     

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