Dick Cheney humiliates Obama in today's Wall Street Journal

And where again are the insults? I stated facts.

Fact - Dick Cheney dodged the Vietnam War with 5 deferments. This makes him a draft-dodger. This also makes him a coward.

Fact - Under international law, the man is a war criminal.

Man, arguing with people on the right always reveals itself to be an exercise in futility. You guys just don't get it. Unfortunately the rest of the country has had to pay for your collective stupidity. With trillions of dollars and many lives.

 

I forgot to add that the whole point of my post is that the content is illegitimate because I take into account the credibility of the individual.

 

Unfortunately, you're not tackling the content, either. Posters on here have provided specific points regarding Cheney, and you refuse to acknowledge them- only calling out those who threw insults his way. A bit one-sided, eh? The argument presented a few posts above was a factual, well-thought argument as to why Mr. Cheney is basically shooting his own foot.

 

That's why we discount their minds. The opposition's job is to oppose, it serves democracy to have alternatives and criticism. But the people need to consider what they say and who says it and why. We know the GOP has had an eight year agenda to oppose everything the President might do without regards to merit in a simple play to regain power. We know Mr. Cheney sees things through the eyes of power plays without consideration of the costs and consequences and had a track record of making self-supporting statements that time proves to be completely wrong.

Since the middle-East is such a complex dance of inter-religious struggle, cultural differences, language differences, and the politics of oil with it's economic effects for most of the developed world, actions need to be well considered and patience and restraint need to be exercised, to the point where it appears we are inactive.

It's easy for Mr. Cheney to criticise and call for proactive measures, and he appears to be playing to American strengths and exceptionalism. But bear in mind, Mr. Cheney is not responsible for any consequences and the President has to be.

This is when I am glad we elected Mr. Obama over a candidate more concerned with his polling and popular opinion.

 

It doesn't take much historical reading to understand that Mr. Cheney was the the de facto decision maker in the Bush administration until late in the second term. Those of us that lived in the time saw it on a daily basis. You could just read his wikki page and get a pretty good sense of it.

 

So a vague reference to a wikipedia page. Hopefully fchowd0311 has something substantial.

 

Wow, really? There's only a whole book about it (and hundreds more that reference it)

This is not a controversial topic btw, its' not like Cheney's public behavior was any different from accoutns of his private behavior.

 

Thanks for the reference saying that Cheney was not the mastermind. I knew fchowd0311's statement smelled like BS.

 

http://dangerousminds.net/comments/...r_to_george_bush_dick_cheney_needs_to_be_read



Dying vet’s 'f*** you’ letter to George Bush & Dick Cheney needs to be read by every American

To: George W. Bush and Dick Cheney
From: Tomas Young

I write this letter on the 10th anniversary of the Iraq War on behalf of my fellow Iraq War veterans. I write this letter on behalf of the 4,488 soldiers and Marines who died in Iraq. I write this letter on behalf of the hundreds of thousands of veterans who have been wounded and on behalf of those whose wounds, physical and psychological, have destroyed their lives. I am one of those gravely wounded. I was paralyzed in an insurgent ambush in 2004 in Sadr City. My life is coming to an end. I am living under hospice care.

I write this letter on behalf of husbands and wives who have lost spouses, on behalf of children who have lost a parent, on behalf of the fathers and mothers who have lost sons and daughters and on behalf of those who care for the many thousands of my fellow veterans who have brain injuries. I write this letter on behalf of those veterans whose trauma and self-revulsion for what they have witnessed, endured and done in Iraq have led to suicide and on behalf of the active-duty soldiers and Marines who commit, on average, a suicide a day. I write this letter on behalf of the some 1 million Iraqi dead and on behalf of the countless Iraqi wounded. I write this letter on behalf of us all—the human detritus your war has left behind, those who will spend their lives in unending pain and grief.

I write this letter, my last letter, to you, Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney. I write not because I think you grasp the terrible human and moral consequences of your lies, manipulation and thirst for wealth and power. I write this letter because, before my own death, I want to make it clear that I, and hundreds of thousands of my fellow veterans, along with millions of my fellow citizens, along with hundreds of millions more in Iraq and the Middle East, know fully who you are and what you have done. You may evade justice but in our eyes you are each guilty of egregious war crimes, of plunder and, finally, of murder, including the murder of thousands of young Americans—my fellow veterans—whose future you stole.

Your positions of authority, your millions of dollars of personal wealth, your public relations consultants, your privilege and your power cannot mask the hollowness of your character. You sent us to fight and die in Iraq after you, Mr. Cheney, dodged the draft in Vietnam, and you, Mr. Bush, went AWOL from your National Guard unit. Your cowardice and selfishness were established decades ago. You were not willing to risk yourselves for our nation but you sent hundreds of thousands of young men and women to be sacrificed in a senseless war with no more thought than it takes to put out the garbage.

I joined the Army two days after the 9/11 attacks. I joined the Army because our country had been attacked. I wanted to strike back at those who had killed some 3,000 of my fellow citizens. I did not join the Army to go to Iraq, a country that had no part in the September 2001 attacks and did not pose a threat to its neighbors, much less to the United States. I did not join the Army to “liberate” Iraqis or to shut down mythical weapons-of-mass-destruction facilities or to implant what you cynically called “democracy” in Baghdad and the Middle East. I did not join the Army to rebuild Iraq, which at the time you told us could be paid for by Iraq’s oil revenues. Instead, this war has cost the United States over $3 trillion. I especially did not join the Army to carry out pre-emptive war. Pre-emptive war is illegal under international law. And as a soldier in Iraq I was, I now know, abetting your idiocy and your crimes. The Iraq War is the largest strategic blunder in U.S. history. It obliterated the balance of power in the Middle East. It installed a corrupt and brutal pro-Iranian government in Baghdad, one cemented in power through the use of torture, death squads and terror. And it has left Iran as the dominant force in the region. On every level—moral, strategic, military and economic—Iraq was a failure. And it was you, Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney, who started this war. It is you who should pay the consequences.

I would not be writing this letter if I had been wounded fighting in Afghanistan against those forces that carried out the attacks of 9/11. Had I been wounded there I would still be miserable because of my physical deterioration and imminent death, but I would at least have the comfort of knowing that my injuries were a consequence of my own decision to defend the country I love. I would not have to lie in my bed, my body filled with painkillers, my life ebbing away, and deal with the fact that hundreds of thousands of human beings, including children, including myself, were sacrificed by you for little more than the greed of oil companies, for your alliance with the oil sheiks in Saudi Arabia, and your insane visions of empire.

I have, like many other disabled veterans, suffered from the inadequate and often inept care provided by the Veterans Administration. I have, like many other disabled veterans, come to realize that our mental and physical wounds are of no interest to you, perhaps of no interest to any politician. We were used. We were betrayed. And we have been abandoned. You, Mr. Bush, make much pretense of being a Christian. But isn’t lying a sin? Isn’t murder a sin? Aren’t theft and selfish ambition sins? I am not a Christian. But I believe in the Christian ideal. I believe that what you do to the least of your brothers you finally do to yourself, to your own soul.

My day of reckoning is upon me. Yours will come. I hope you will be put on trial. But mostly I hope, for your sakes, that you find the moral courage to face what you have done to me and to many, many others who deserved to live. I hope that before your time on earth ends, as mine is now ending, you will find the strength of character to stand before the American public and the world, and in particular the Iraqi people, and beg for forgiveness.

—Tomas Young

 

beautiful

FOX Reporter Who Was Wrong About Iraq: Stop Criticizing Those Who Were Wrong About Iraq


Fox News contributor Judith Miller, whose reporting on Iraq's weapons of mass turned out to be stunningly wrong, said Friday that the media has been too hard on other individuals whose pre-war pronouncements also turned out to be stunningly wrong.

During an appearance on Fox, Miller complained that the media "loves to beat up on who was responsible for the Iraq War and who is to blame for the current controversy, the current crisis."

That, she added, "is not helpful."

"What the media should be doing is encouraging everyone who has a view of what to do now in Iraq to come forward and discuss it rationally," Miller said. "But they're doing the opposite. They're trying to shut down people like Dick Cheney, Liz Cheney, all of the 'neoconservatives' who brought us this war. It's not helpful."

 

You're welcome for the reference. I hope to engage in a fruitful semantic exercise in whether "mastermind" or "powerful steamrolling force" are sufficiently close here, or whether they're not quite close enough to provide you with a glorious textual victory.

 

Could someone define terror for me? We have military bases in 63 countries. Not embassies, but troops, weapons, tanks, planes, logistics. I don't think we have a Canadian base here. Why so many? I might be inclined to terrorize you if you felt so threatened you felt the need to know my every move. Or are we, as a Christian Nation of peace, using the threat of violence to promote peace. That's almost terrorism in itself. Or paranoid schizos.

Maybe the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans closed up and the United States is worried about a mass invasion?

 

It's like they can't even hear themselves talking.