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Democratic Leaders don’t Care About Illegal immigrants

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by crash5179, Jun 20, 2018.

  1. Rashmon

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    Political Scientists Baffled By Trump’s Ability To End Something He Had No Control Over Just Days Ago
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    ‘This Destroys All Previous Knowledge About The Power Of The Presidency’
    NEW HAVEN, CT—At a loss to explain the mysterious nature of the president’s powers, political scientists were reportedly baffled Wednesday by Donald Trump’s ability to end the practice of separating families who cross the U.S. border seeking asylum mere days after stating that he had no control over it. “Just yesterday, he was explaining that his hands were tied and there was nothing he could do to stop children and infants from being forcibly torn away from their parents and put into cages—but then today, out of nowhere, he suddenly issued an executive order doing just that!” said Bruce Ackerman, a constitutional law professor at Yale University, remarking that this inexplicable development will fundamentally upend how the presidency is understood, because there is no theory in the entire field of political science that explains how it could be possible. “No new amendments to the Constitution have been passed, so the powers vested in the Executive Branch should be the same today as they were yesterday, right? And yet somehow, they have changed! Decades of research will be required before we can even begin to comprehend such a phenomenon. In the meantime, we can only sit back and wonder if there are any other powers the president has yet to discover.” At press time, sources confirmed Ackerman and his colleagues had flipped over an original copy of the Constitution and found a list of previously unknown executive powers that appeared to have been hastily scrawled in with a ballpoint pen.
     
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    "The surge in the number of children being taken into custody was so unexpected that federal immigration authorities temporarily placed children in emergency dormitories at Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio, Mother Jones reported.

    At the time, the dramatic increase in the number of unaccompanied children arriving at the U.S.-Mexico border had "reached a crisis proportion" by June 2014, with a 90 percent surge in arrivals from 2013, according to Migration Policy. "

    Context matters.
     
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    Stop trying to make this a democrat or republican issue. What Trump did was disgusting. You're totally ignoring the fact that we have him on video lying that its the democrats law and now today signing an executive order that he said was impossible. the only way for republicans at this point to justify it is basically believe in a conspiracy theory even though proof has smacked them in the face. at some point if you're a good person you admit the truth. there's a line you don't cross. sadly a lot of trump fans are despicable people so they either have no line or there line is drawn so far back that they'd support trump becoming the next Hitler.
     
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    This is the type of disingenuous hate filed rhetoric they drove me and a lot of others from the left. Before you start comparing Trump or his people to Nazis I would suggest reading a history book or two.
     
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    So does facts. To act like the Obama administration was Mother Teresa in their handling of ever situation while the Trump administration is Nazi like in its handling of every situation is disingenuous and wrong.
     
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    The Obama administration was sued for locking up children with their parents as a deterrent to immigrants crossing the border illegally. Bush preceaded that rulling so I don’t know why you keep referencing him. Any immigrant locked up for an extended period of time was seperated from their kids during the Obama administration after the rulling.

    The Democrats are simply trying to use illegal immigration as a cudgel against the republicans to try and gain votes. That’s why Chuck Schumer said the Democrats would not cooperate with the Republican initiated legislation to end the policy of seperating immigrants from their children in lock up. He specifically said he wanted to keep the focus on Trump. This is nothing but politics on his part.
     
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    Facts don’t care about your feelings. It was an operation of law as a result of the 9th circuit court ruling. These are the facts and they are not disputable.
     
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    An operation of Federal law would be charging every current pot smokersl in the United States with a criminal misdemeanor. Why isn't it being done? Trump says he follows the law.

    You see everything at face value with no nuance or context. Executive discretion is a thing.
     
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    Then you admit it’s an operation of law.

    If you want to discuss if we should take a hard line stance and start going after pot smokers we can but that is clearly a different discussion. Please stay on topic.
     
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    This is exactly the type of disingenuous reporting that has pushed so many of us away from the left. Trump was clearly talking about MS13 and yet ABC uses it as if he were talking about all immigrants.

    Should I report ABC and everyone liking this tweet supports MS13 as well as rape and murder?


     
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    I have seen two extreme stated as facts toward Democrats. So, which one is it?

    1- Democrats support open border and is NOT against illegal immigrants
    2- Democrats does NOT support open border and IS AGAINST illegal immigrants

    Neither of those means Democrat support separating families. From the vast and wide range of negative reaction to Trump family separation policy, I think we can said only this current Admin and most of his fervent followers support that.
     
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    Trump basically drafted an executive order that is contrary to the laws on the books. He does not have the power to do that. Any court challenge in front of a judge who respects the law will end the executive order.
     
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    This might be true. I wonder who would want to bring up a court challenge?

    He didn't have to draft a EO. He has prosecutorial discretion.
     
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    Trump is Nazi like and no one cares what drove you from the left if Trump didn't drive you from the right then your judgement is questionable to say the least.
     
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    DEMOCRATS ARE SO EVIL WHY CANT COMMIE LIBPIGS SEE RUSSIA IS OUR FRIEND!?!?! HEIL TRUMP!
     
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    Haha

    All we hear is how Democrats are soft on immigration and want open borders and now they are to blame for being too tough on the borders?

    You guys can’t keep your BS coming out both ends straight. What is it? Are Dems hawks or are they soft? It can’t be both.

    Obama was called the Deporter in Chief to progressives FYI. However he wasn’t pulling families apart for a political stunt designed to get a 100 billion dollar vanity project.

    But yes... many on the left thought Obama was too tough on immigration FYI. Not sure why this is supposed to make me feel like a hypocrite for thinking it’s abhorrent to seperate thousands of children from their parents and held in tent city internment camps.

    I’m not in a F-ing Cult where I cannot dare question my King. If Obama was wrong about something I could actually say something about it (Because... you know.. Democracy)unlike the Trump cult that follows him off a cliff.
     
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    Which makes you think: (1) trump's people (hhs, bp, justice, dhs) did not really think through what was needed, or (2) he/they really didn't want to fix and overturn his new policy... knowing the courts would overturn this new eo, and (3) it was all for show, to overturn the public perception about this horrific new policy and execution of the policy.

    As others have already suggested, trump didn't need an executive order... he could have simply announced they were ending the April 2018 policy sessions announced. And in doing so, he could have directed border patrol and dhs to no longer separate children from families. And then work with congress for the longer term comprehensive solution. he would have achieved his PR solution and been able to approach congress in a better (PR) position.

    Instead... the eo gets overturned in courts and his monstrous April policy goes back in effect. Which is probably what trump and his supporters want, regardless of the horrific results.
     
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    I fully expect a law suit from the Democratic Party challenging the executive order.
     
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    The goal wasn't to stop prosecuting criminals, the goal was to shut up the whiny b****es who are pretending that there was some kind of cruelty going on by handling things the way they'd be handled in any other criminal prosecution.
     
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    Your version of the facts are definitely disputable and not really correct. We've seen different levels of enforcement of the existing immigration laws under different presidents but the current zero tolerance policy and systematic separation of families is on a completely different level. It's not a black and white issue at all as you seem to believe.
     
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