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Defund the Cops?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by B@ffled, Jun 4, 2020.

  1. Air Langhi

    Air Langhi Contributing Member

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    Looks like a kid. That is a like a scene from the wire.

    I hope they make it.
     
  2. Supermac34

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    One of the disgusting parts of this story is that protesters showed up at the hospital, blocked emergency access, and carried signs like "I hope they die", etc. So are we moving away from "defund the police" to "kill all cops" now?
     
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  3. jiggyfly

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    The leaps you people make.
     
  4. Wattafan

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    Sure.
    Whoever it was, he is pretty handy with a gun. Hit both victims multiple times in a matter of seconds.
     
  5. Wattafan

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    It was reported by the Sheriffs Dept.
     
  6. Ottomaton

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    If we just threw more money at police departments, those officers totally wouldn't have been injured by gunfire. They could make them full-body suits made out of stacks of $100 bills that would have stopped the bullets.

    Lack of enough tacti-cool toys on the part of the officers is clearly what caused the gunman to open fire. Sad!
     
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  7. rocketsjudoka

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    The shootings of the LEO in LA is horrible and hope they get the suspect.

    This though is more reason why we need reform. The break down in trust between LE and the communities they serve is making things more dangerous for everyone. Making sure victims of police shootings get justice isn’t just for the victims or BLM it's also for the long term benefit of LE.
     
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  8. Andre0087

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    No sane person wants to defund the police people just want major reform....and whoever came up with that phrase is an idiot and hurt the cause.
     
  9. ROXRAN

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    Nope I’ll put you on iggy going forward, RIHMF
     
  10. rocketsjudoka

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    I just heard Al Sharpton on Morning Joe saying that those who want to hold police accountable should also be out condemning the ambush shootings of the two LEO. He also is pretty much condemning the protesters outside of the hospital saying they hoped the LEO died.

    I have to admit I've been impressed with Sharpton recently as while he obviously is one of the strongest voices calling for justice during recent police shootings of black men he's also made some of the cogent criticism against looting and destruction.
     
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    Another example of how defunding the police works.

     
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    Even freaking Dallas is doing it.

     
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  13. jiggyfly

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    Meanwhile I had a lady I work with claiming Austin was crime ridden because they voted to cut funding?
     
  14. B@ffled

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    That was O's He's able to shapeshift into your co-worker. Anyhoo, it sounds like it's time to move out of Austin and into Baytown.
     
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    "So This Is What It Took To Stop Slashing The Police Force In NYC":

    https://hotair.com/archives/jazz-shaw/2021/02/14/took-stop-slashing-police-force-nyc/

    excerpt:

    Allow me to take you on a brief trip in the Way Back Machine to June of last year. That’s when all of the calls to either defund or abolish the police were ringing across the city from Black Lives Matter activists. And Mayor Bill de Blasio was listening to them. One group called Communities United for Police Reform (CUPR) was actively advising the Mayor as he looked at slashing the NYPD budget to satisfy his liberal base.

    CUPR had a list of demands that they wanted to see the Mayor enact. While not all of them were fully implemented, they proposed more than a billion dollars in cuts to the NYPD budget, broken down into five key areas of “concern.”
    • $397 million – Cut overtime, public relations and surveillance technology use, and cap uniformed officers to budgeted amount.
    • $287 million – Fire abusive officers, cut modified duty and deduct settlement payouts from the operating budget as a punitive measure.
    • $263 million – Freeze new hires, cancel new cadet classes and cancel cadet training program.
    • $219 million – Reduce uniformed officers by about 5 percent, to 2014 levels.
    • $96 million – Remove officers from schools, transit systems, homeless outreach and mental health response programs.
    Did you notice that last item highlighted in bold? Here’s a quote from a CUPR spokesperson given at that time. “We do not need more police in the trains, we need improved train service and affordable public transit.”

    This is one of the same groups demanding that all MTA officers be pulled out of the subways and replaced by “crisis intervention counselors.” The number of cops in the subways began shrinking immediately. We never saw the crisis intervention teams armed with clipboards fully installed, but what do you suppose somebody with a clipboard was going to do when the A-Train Ripper showed up? Reason with him?

    So now the public has finally had its “awareness raised” when it comes to defunding the police and pulling them out of the subways. All it took was the A-Train Ripper and a trail of bodies. Will the Mayor and his Police Commissioner finally listen to the residents of the city and put an end to all of the police defunding and abolishment nonsense? There are real monsters out there lurking in the dark. Kind words and good intentions are not enough to deal with them. Without a sufficient police presence in a city of that size, Escape From New York will begin looking like a documentary rather than an action flick.
    more at the link
     
  16. jiggyfly

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    Does this guy think Cops are on every train?

    Please tell us how this would have been stopped if funding was there, he was arrested in less than 24 hrs.

    Complete story here.

    https://nypost.com/2021/02/14/a-train-ripper-identified-as-homeless-man-from-brooklyn/
     
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  17. Os Trigonum

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    yeah you probably missed this part:

    Equally interesting was the public response to the carnage. Obviously, people were frightened and upset, but the public was demanding answers to one question. Where were the police? Why aren’t there more police?

    The outcry for more cops on city subways reached a fever pitch Saturday in the wake of a killer’s rampage on the A line. And the NYPD appeared to be listening, announcing at least 500 more officers would be on patrol underground by Monday…

    Shaken straphangers at the A train’s Far Rockaway Mott Avenue station called for stepped-up security, including increased patrols and even metal detectors.

    One witness who rides the A-Train every day for work said that there are never any cops around in the later hours. You see some between 8 in the morning and 5 pm, but not at night. And that’s when most of the stabbing attacks took place.

    But let’s get back to the question that the public is screaming at the top of their lungs. Where were all the cops? Police Commissioner Dermot Shea came out yesterday and announced a “surge” of 500 more cops being sent to the subways “immediately.” Some were even being pulled off of desk duty to bolster the ranks. It’s a good start, but it still doesn’t explain how we arrived at this crisis.​
     
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    I did not miss it and non of ity refutes my point?

    And nobody said defund the subway police anyway, if anything its a misuse of personnel and also those funds could have been used to treat the mentally ill guy in the 1st place, he had been arrested 4 times already.

    It's actually a reason why the defund movement is a thing more money for helping this type of offender.
     
  19. Os Trigonum

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    yeah you probably missed this part:

    • $96 million – Remove officers from schools, transit systems, homeless outreach and mental health response programs.
     
  20. jiggyfly

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    I did see that but let me actually put up the context and bold the relevant parts.

    One group called Communities United for Police Reform (CUPR) was actively advising the Mayor as he looked at slashing the NYPD budget to satisfy his liberal base.

    CUPR had a list of demands that they wanted to see the Mayor enact. While not all of them were fully implemented, they proposed more than a billion dollars in cuts to the NYPD budget, broken down into five key areas of “concern.”

    • $397 million – Cut overtime, public relations and surveillance technology use, and cap uniformed officers to budgeted amount.
    • $287 million – Fire abusive officers, cut modified duty and deduct settlement payouts from the operating budget as a punitive measure.
    • $263 million – Freeze new hires, cancel new cadet classes and cancel cadet training program.
    • $219 million – Reduce uniformed officers by about 5 percent, to 2014 levels.
    • $96 million – Remove officers from schools, transit systems, homeless outreach and mental health response programs.
    So why is this one group used to speak for everyone and if these things were not implemented what does it have to do with defund the police?

    This guy can't even tie the lack of police one the subway to these PROPOSALS.

    The numbers where just proposals from a group, so tell us again how that has anything to do with this incident?
     

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