Debating Us Israel Relations & Frequent Charges of Anti-Semitism

I have seen those theories espoused before. I haven't seen them espoused in this thread. I'm not sure why you brought it up.

 

Anyone who thinks it is possible to have an honest debate in the US about Israeli policies is not paying attention. If you believe that, I ask you to think about this: most of us do love our little country but we all criticize it harshly at times, do you believe that we can use the same harsh criticism that we use against our own country as we do against Israel? NO WAY. And why not? Why can't we have honest criticism in public and in the media? It doesn't have to be anti-Semitic; it doesn't have to mean we wish to abandon Israel as an ally. Can you even imagine Israel getting the kind of negative press that France got because they didn't join the "collation of the willing"? Would never happen and should make people ask why.

 

Nope - but how do you rectify Mearsheimer and Walt's conclusions with you own? Or do you find their conclusions interesting for discussion but not definitive (nothing wrong with that)?

 

Because we didn't ask them to join the coalition of the willing?

 

Israeli troops were not wanted by the U.S. in Iraq. They did support the overthrow and invasion, though. France and Israel were two very different situations in regard to the war in Iraq.

 

I guess my post was confusing. I was making the example that France didn't join our little collation and they were attacked in the press, people boycotted French products blah, blah blah.

But if Israel did something that we felt slighted by there would never be any such backlash. Ask yourself why that is?

 

Because everyone hates the French? We didn't boycott or protest Russian or German or Chinese goods either and they also sought to block the intervention in Iraq.

 

Yeah but them French....they smell funny!

 

I love how the French are bashed here in Texas, when they were one of only five countries to recognize The Republic of Texas as a sovereign state.

 

You won't see them bashed by me, unless the bloody Frogs were askin' for it.



Keep D&D Civil.

 

The Frogs haven't done anything right since the 19th Century.

 

I think anytime a whole group is bashed ignorance is probably at foot.

 

I hope stating the fact that IDF soldiers gang-raping palestinian girls or killing an innocent 12 year old palestinan girl des not Automaticly make you's truly a "Anti-Semitism".howbout the disgracefull killing of innocent by-standards in the name of target assasination of terrorist figures?.. granted hammas is no better, but they get hammared by the mainstream media for it. but god-forbid you say anything about the IDF.

 

when it comes to criticism of israel, many jews turn into the biggest opponents of free speech and freedom of expression

also, did anyone hear about alan dershowitz and his plaigarism of his book The Case of Israel?

here's some info and evidence:

http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=349044 (info)

http://www.rense.com/general42/admits.htm (info)

http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=11&ar=1 (evidence)

 

even as people claim that anti-semitism is rapant...actually figures show a 20% decline in incidents in 2005

http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=11&ar=200

also, columbia univ. prof. joseph massad explains how arabs and muslims are the real victims of anti-semitism today:

http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2004/720/op63.htm

 

From what I've heard of Israel there is more open and public criticism of the Israeli government by Israelis than in the US.

 

I was advocating we change the name of Hamburgers to Liberty Patties and Belgian Waffles to Bush Grids.