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[Dallas] NFL player's police saga at Plano hospital captured on dash cam

Discussion in 'Football: NFL, College, High School' started by Air Langhi, Mar 26, 2009.

  1. mrpaige

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    Just as an aside, this series of articles is driving me crazy because the reporters can't be bothered to get the geography right.

    They all say that Moats pulled off the Dallas North Tollway just a few blocks from the hospital. A few have even said that he pulled of the DNT onto Preston, which would be physically impossible since the two roads never intersect.

    The video shows Moats was on Preston heading North into Plano. So, it's probably that they pulled off the Bush Turnpike onto Preston, rather than off the DNT.

    Also, I'd like the article to confirm which light Moats allegedly ran. An early article made it sound like they ran a light subsequent to turning on to Preston. If that was actually the case, the light wasn't even in Dallas (which leads to the question of whether officers from one city can enforce the law outside their jurisdiction).
     
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    Did moes silence TJ? LOL! :D
     
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    If you watch the whole video. The cop was listening to Britney Spears. Makes him more of an ass.
     
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    So if it were a black cop doing this to a white family, would it still be racist?
     
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    Could be.
     
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    But since its the opposite, it is for sure racially motivated?
     
  7. mrpaige

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    No. Some members of the Moats family believe it to be racially motivated, probably because it seems so outrageous that they could run a red light and have an officer so quickly pull his gun and threaten to arrest on trumped up charges a man desperately trying to get his family to the hospital before their relative dies.

    I certainly wouldn't dismiss the idea that race played a role in the officer's attitude, but I would probably be more likely to believe that it was a power issue rather than a race issue.
     
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    I can see where people might think race is part of it, but I think we all know that it doesn't take being a minority to have a police officer with a bad attitude act like they have absolute power and act this way, and it doesn't always take any attitude on the "perps" part. Are they all like that? no. It's a hard job, and not everyone gives them the respect they deserve, but that doesn't mean there aren't complete jerks on any given force, or anywhere in life for that matter. This one was, and everyone sees that now.

    You never know if race is what pushed him over that edge to being completely indifferent to their plight. Difficult to say.

    Dude should be fired by the department, not because the offense was so bad he shouldn't be able to serve there or anywhere else, but he was a complete jackass. The PR of the department is at stake, and this makes all of them look like jackasses. Something they should be trying to dissuade, not reinforce.
     
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    There's no real reason to play the race card here (at least not for us). If members of Ryan Moats family feel that way, I think they are completely entitled to that opinion. The way they were treated was dispicable.

    All this being said, the police officer in question was rude, disrespectful, and handled the situation as poorly as he possibly could. There is no question that there was a power trip. He should be looking for other work right now.
     
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    I don't know about that.

    I don't think it was racially motivated myself, just think it was a cop being a cop and what cop means in this instance is d!ckhead.
     
  11. HKC

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    Majority of cops have power trip like him, black, white, yellow, brown, whatever. Might be how they are trained in order to keep a certain appearance or to keep order. But it seems as though the moats wouldn't stop for him until they got to the hospital and then the girls disobeyed him while saying ugly things and ran in the hospital anyway.

    I sort of agree with the officer and fully believe if they would have pulled over for him immediately, then he would have let them go. But these people took advantage and pushed the cops nerves. He has the authority and is trained to deal with those who don't obey no matter what the situation.

    Any person can pull into a hospital and say they are trying to see someone before they die or their child is about to be born inside the hospital to get away from a ticket. But, as soon as the staff came out to confirm, i agree, the officer should have just told him what he said about he should have initially pulled over immediately and then let him go right away and this is when the power trip came into play as he had already started writing the ticket and was gonna continue till he finished.

    He should definitely not be fired IMO.
     
  12. El_Conquistador

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    Are you playing the race card?

    You say that I'm trying to hide, but are you the one trying to hide saying something naughty? Or when you say 'you are what we think you are', am I to fill in the blank with 'a fashionable intellectual with incredible hair'?


    GRACIAS AMIGO
     
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    Doubt it was racially motivated, more power tripping as mentioned several times. So the family probably feels after the incident, and after the unfortunate loss, why should they have any restraint on what they feel might have been motivation? Wasnt like the cop gave them any benefit of the doubt
     
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    They only had, what, a DYING MOTHER & LOVED ONE to tend to. But yeah let cooler, calmer, trained professionals do their job. While your mother dies

    I seriously SERIOUSLY doubt they were "trying to take advantage" (you kidding me?). Or this incident "exposed" them for being unruly unmannerly people.
     
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    Twenty seconds between the time he catches up to the car and the time they pull over at the EMERGENCY ROOM entrance, implying an emergency.

    Twenty seconds is pulling over right away.

    Not to mention that the even-more trained professionals who are the bosses of this short-time, young officer say he was wrong. Which professional do you believe?

    If they're training says that in potentially emergency situations, you pull your gun and yell at everyone not to leave, never ask about the potential emergency and then decide for yourself (even when medical professionals and other, trained officers are telling you otherwise) to continue to take all the time in the world, and threaten to file a false report and make a false arrest then the training needs to be changed.
     
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    So you think people like to break the law around a hospital and then rush to the emergency room parking lot with a fake story to try and get out of the ticket?
     
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    I was trying to say how does the cop know that these dudes saw the hospital and the first thing they thought was pulling in and making up a BS story to get out of whatever they were in. Highly possible.

    But, whatever, this cop should not be fired. I would want his back when the ***** hits the fan and people shooting at you instead of the "sensitive" officer.
     
  18. DonnyMost

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    I think he is pulling the Dennis Green card.

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  19. Rocket1

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    This is just damn depressing. Who gave this tool a badge?
     
  20. mrpaige

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    Because they were already in the hospital parking lot by the time he caught up to them seems to imply that they were already going to the hospital.

    At the very least, it takes no time to ask what the emergency is (on the few times I've been pulled over for speeding, the officer nearly almost always asked if there was some sort of emergency).

    And there's nothing that says the officer can't verify a situation. Escort the family inside and see if they really do have a dying relative. If not, feel free to write the ticket. Heck, write the ticket at the dying woman's bedside if it's so important.

    It would've taken very little effort to verify any story. The officer, however, didn't even wait to hear the story before pulling his weapon and dismissed all claims out of hand (and he's even non-committal on the idea of letting him go if he had stopped twenty seconds sooner. He just says he "probably" would've let him go, which may or may not be true. Why, if he didn't even think to determine whether there was an actual emergency situation when they were at the emergency room would it be believable that 20 seconds sooner, in a different part of the same parking lot, he would've said "okay. Go ahead. I'm not going to run your plates, or your DL, or insurance or write you a ticket"?)
     
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