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D’Antoni: The rotations are what they are!

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by OTMax, Jan 22, 2018.

  1. 1Deep

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    Kinda sucks for GG because he was playing well and earned a rotation spot..
    Gets suspended a couple of games attempting to show his loyalty to the team..
    Comes back after the suspension out of the rotation and relegated to the bench.
    On the positive side I guess it's better to be on a roster sitting on the bench than sitting at home watching games.
     
  2. apollo33

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    We didn't need Green last night, it's not the kinda of game he should be playing in, it was a defensive grind with a lot of running through screens and switching, and Green gets lost a lot of times when this happens. We need him in fast pace games so he can chuck random shots and give us a spark.
     
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  3. Dankstronaut

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    Let's all agree a 9 man rotation is soooo much better than 7 man.
     
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  4. mac_got_this

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    If our season ends because of fatigue and a critical injury to one of our key pieces, I'm advocating the firing of Dantoni. The season is a marathon not a sprint. Start the tight rotation in March like everybody else
     
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  5. yixiixiy

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    Pop really HAD to put in Khawi for the win.

     
  6. farhen

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    I don't know about you guys but I believe in Mike D'Antoni 100%
     
  7. justtxyank

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    Ariza: 28 minutes
    Gordon: 30 minutes
    Tucker: 24 minutes
    Mbah a Moute: 22 minutes

    Paul: 36 minutes
    Harden: 35 minutes

    That is the minutes allocation from last night for guys who Green could have subbed in for. (Ryno got 29 but he was playing a small 5 as well)

    Ideally I'd like to see Paul at 30 which creates 6 minutes of free time, but last night Harden wasn't in control so we HAD to have Paul out there to win that game.

    With that said, let's say you did play Paul 30 minutes. That creates 6 minutes. To be honest, instead of Green getting those 6 minutes I'd rather they go to Mbah a Moute.

    They aren't going to play Harden low 30s, so if everything is going right and Paul is low 30s there is maybe 5-10 minutes of playing time up for grabs.

    I don't mind Green getting that kind of playing time, but that's also going to be a tough ask for him. 6 minutes of playing time means he's going to want to get shots up. Hard to get in a rhythm, small mistakes magnified, etc.

    Bashing Dantoni for not going 10 deep last night is pretty ridiculous. Nene and Capela only gave you 36 minutes at the 5 and Ryno had to pick up the rest. so even with Ryno taking about 12 minutes at the 5 or so, meaning he only took 17 minutes at a forward spot, you guys are still b****ing about minutes.
     
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  8. vlaurelio

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    Pops/Spurs & Kerr/GSW has proven every year the importance of playing deep rotations in the reg season

    1. Keeps everyone fresh & fatigue-free as possible thru out the reg season especially the playoffs (we a 3 point shooting old team - fresh legs are very important, and have very low energyon defense)
    2. Minimizes injury and once injury happens players are conditioned and developed enough to be ready to step up & replace the injured player (important for us considering cp3, ego's injury history, age of our team, and Harden's recent injury)
    3. Have more options / weapons offensively and defensively ready to be called upon every game in the reg season & playoffs (streaky shooters, inconsistent defenders)

    Pops/spurs has LMA averaging 34 minutes a game and everyone else playing sub 30 mins a game.
    40 yr old Ginobli, murrey, brandon paul can avg 20 mins a game behind mills, green, parker, & forbes

    Kerr/GSW has KD & Klay avergaing 35 minutes a game, Steph & Green 33 minutes a game everyone else sub 26 minutes a game
    Even chucker Nick Young has played all games avging 15 minutes a game behind Klay, Thompson, Livingston, Mccaw.

    While 32 year old Ariza's & Harden are avergaing 36 minutes a game and Ego & Cp3 averaging 33 minutes per game.

    If this is truly the best roster Morey can build to compete with GSW and Spurs
    Then its the coaches' responsibility to be at par with Kerr and Pops

    Even if Harden & Cp3 cancels out KD & Steph, we need as many options and weapons against Green, Klay, Igudala, Livingston, Casspi, Young, Zaza, Mccaw, Bell, West, even Mcgee.
     
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  9. Bo6

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    i think we are all just a little concerned that he seemingly hasn't learned anything from our series against the spurs.
     
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    I had low expectations for D'antoni, and he still disappointed.

    Absolutely. He should be treading lightly after the coaching disaster that led to Harden tearing his hamstring.

    Morey is an analytics guy, I'm sure he knows about the studies on injury risk due to increased playing time. Step in here.
     
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  11. justtxyank

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    The easiest way for you to root for a team that is coached the way Pop coaches is to root for the Spurs.

    One of the ways Pops is able to get guys rotation minutes is by resting players. Their last championship roster he had Kawhi and LMA at 30+ minutes and no one else, but he also rest nearly every player on his roster for at least a few games when they weren't injured.

    You can't expect Gerald Green to play 6 minutes a game and be fresh and a solid contributor. Coach D'Antoni isn't going to play CP3 sub 30 minutes, he isn't going to play Harden 30 minutes and he isn't going to play Ariza under 25 minutes. Those are realities. If you want a coach that will run a true 10 man rotation you need to fire D'Antoni and start this over.
     
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    The best way to use Green to keep others fresh is to give Ariza or even Harden complete games off. A solid 4-5 days off (if they time the off game well) produces better recovery than sitting an extra 5 minutes per game.
     
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  13. vlaurelio

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    Howbout at least be like Kerr?

    6-10 spot minutes is better than nothing. good for his confidence and conditioning. he'll be ready to step up again if anyone injures or rests or has a bad game offensively or defensively.
     
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    It’s not so much wanting to see green play...it’s that he is serviceable for a couple min and would give our key players rest. Hardens and CPs worth to this franchise is far more than D’Antoni
     
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  15. vlaurelio

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    yeah but you can't bench green for games in a row and expect insert him and be 100% ready. He needs to develop in game chemistry & conditioning
     
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  16. justtxyank

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    So maybe coach should have put Green in last night when Harden was struggling running the offense? Let Green run the point and play some defense instead of Paul?

    The only minutes that were on the table last night were the 5 minutes that Chris Paul played over 30 last night. Green is not a backup PG.

    If you want D'Antoni to keep Paul to 30 minutes he needs a point guard on the roster that he trusts to play those minutes other than just having Gordon backup both spots.
     
  17. roxallways

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    Exactly. MDA's teams have had some great regular seasons but his coaching style with rigid rotations has not been as successful in the playoffs. Just concerning with his high pace type system that his teams tend to run out of gas the later the year gets because of his rigid rotations. He seems set in his ways though in running his main players in the ground. I agree with the position that if the team breaks down toward the end of year/playoffs and are eliminated because of wear and tear/fatigue from short rotations, he needs to be fired.
     
  18. Kevooooo

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    Would Green ever be replacing CP3 or Harden? Perhaps Harden at times at the 2, but for the most part, Green would be replacing another wing player because he doesn't create, he needs CP3 or Harden to get him the ball for the most part.

    As fun as it is watching a Houston kid light it up, he's not the 9th best player on the team, even when Anderson isn't shooting well.
     
  19. vlaurelio

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    Harden and Cp3 only needs to play 24 minutes each and we have an elite PG all the time on the court. Ego can also play some minutes as PG put capable handlers LMA & Green with him.

    I'm pretty sure Harden can play 34, Ego & Cp3 30, & Green the rest of the minutes.

    If Kerr & Pops can figure out playing 4 guards & still win games pretty sure MDA can as well

    That's coaching..
     
  20. daywalker02

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    He can shave off the mustache

    so he can also extend the rotation
     
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