Courts strike down voter suppression laws in Texas & Wisconson

A Texas ID card costs $16 and is good for 6 years. The amount you should have to pay in order to exercise your right to vote is $0. It's a good decision by the court.

 

If you are poor and don't have access to a car and live in a city with bad public transportation, its quite hard. Or if you're elderly, it can be even harder if you dont have anyone to assist you.

Not to mention in rural Texas, you have to sometimes go hundreds of miles to find a DPS office.

If the state is going to pass legislation like this, the burden of proof should be on the government to prove that fraud is even happening. And considering the millions of dollars that secretaries of state across the country have spent trying to find fraud, I'm willing to conclude it isn't happening.

 

yeah makes sense I guess, I had to look up the Canadian voter law to see what they do and apparently we have three options

(1) Show one original piece of identification with photo, name and address like a driver's license or a health card. It must be issued by a government agency.

(2) Show two original pieces of authorized identification. Both pieces must have a name and one must also have an address. Examples: student ID card, birth certificate, public transportation card, utility bill, bank/credit card statement, etc.

(3) Take an oath and have an elector who knows the voter vouch for them (both of which will be required to make a sworn statement). This person must have authorized identification and their name must appear on the list of electors in the same polling division as the voter. This person can only vouch for one person and the person who is vouched for cannot vouch for another elector.

but I always used my ID in the past

 

. . . like Voter Fraud is high enough to mention . . . .
Hell . . . Cops F' Up more than we have voter fraud
and some folx don't want us to mention that . . .much less legislate it

Rocket River

 

Historically in the US, you've always been able to use option 2 (although usually its only 1 authorized identification instead of 2). Voter ID laws are eliminating option 2 altogether without any proof to justify why they are deleting it.

 

Texas is the WORST state historically in terms of suppressing the vote and discriminating against minorities. Some of the Supreme Court cases which contribute to our image in protecting individual rights:

• Terry v. Adams: Jailbird Democratic Association not allowed to exclude African-Americans from primaries
• Grovery v. Townsend: Court upheld African-American exclusion from the Democratic party, overruled in Smith v. Allwright
• Nixon v. Herndon: Texas statute barring African-Americans from participating in the Democratic primary struck down
• White v. Regester: Court invalidated multi-member districts designed to exclude blacks in Dallas in Hispanics in Bexar.
• Vera v. Bush: Texas gerrymandering case involving the exclusion of minorities
• Republican Party of Texas v. Dietz: no state action when Republican Party refused to let Log Cabin Republicans participate.

 

If your ID has no photo, how do they know its actually you?

 

Considering no one has proven any widespread voter fraud in states without photo ID, I dont think your question really matters. Lawmakers need to prove that there's fraud first instead of making hypothetical questions.

 

Would be even harder to vote.

So find me two locations (your use of the word "sometimes") that are at least 200 miles (your use of the word "hundreds") away from a DPS location.

I will help you and give you a list of DPS locations.

Spoiler

Abilene
Albany
Alice
Alpine
Alvin
Amarillo
Andrews
Angleton
Anson
Aransas Pass
Archer City
Arlington
Aspermont
Athens
Atlanta
Austin
Baird
Ballinger
Bandera
Bastrop
Bay City
Baytown
Beaumont
Beeville
Bellville
Big Lake
Big Spring
Boerne
Bonham
Borger
Bowie
Brackettville
Brady
Breckenridge
Brenham
Brownfield
Brownsville
Brownwood
Bryan
Burnet
Caldwell
Cameron
Canadian
Canton
Carrollton
Carthage
Cedar Hill
Center
Centerville
Channing
Childress
Clarendon
Clarksville
Claude
CLEAR LAKE SHORES
Cleburne
Cleveland
Coldspring
Coleman
Colorado City
Columbus
Comanche
Conroe
Cooper
Copperas Cove
Corpus Christi
Corsicana
Cotulla
Crane
Crockett
Crosbyton
Cross Plains
Crowell
Crystal City
Cuero
Daingerfield
Dalhart
Dallas
Decatur
Del Rio
Dell City
Denton
Denver City
Dimmitt
Dumas
Eagle Pass
Eastland
Eden
Edinburg
Edna
El Paso
Eldorado
Elgin
Emory
Fairfield
Falfurrias
Floresville
Floydada
Follett
Fort Davis
Fort Hood
Fort Stockton
Fort Worth
Fredericksburg
Friona
Gail
Gainesville
Galveston
Garden City
Garland
Gatesville
George West
Georgetown
Giddings
Gilmer
Goldthwaite
Goliad
Gonzales
Graham
Granbury
Grand Prairie
Greenville
Groesbeck
Hallettsville
Hamilton
Harlingen
Haskell
Hearne
Hebbronville
Hemphill
Hempstead
Henderson
Henrietta
Hereford
Higgins
Hillsboro
Hondo
Houston
Humble
Huntsville
Hurst
Iraan
Irving
Jacksboro
Jacksonville
Jasper
Jayton
Johnson City
Jourdanton
Junction
Karnes City
Katy
Kermit
Kerrville
Killeen
Kingsville
Kountze
La Grange
Lake Worth
Lamesa
Lampasas
Laredo
Leakey
Levelland
Lewisville
Liberty
Littlefield
Livingston
Llano
Lockhart
Longview
Lubbock
Lufkin
Madisonville
Marble Falls
Marfa
Marshall
Mason
Matador
McAllen
McCamey
McKinney
Memphis
Menard
Meridian
Mertzon
Miami
Midland
Mineral Wells
Monahans
Morton
Mount Vernon
Mout Pleasant
Muleshoe
Munday
Nacogdoches
New Boston
New Braunfels
Nocona
Odessa
Olney
Orange
Paducah
Palacios
Palestine
Pampa
Panhandle
Paris
Pasadena
Pearsall
Pecos
Perryton
Pierce
Pittsburg
Plainview
Plano
Port Arthur
Port Isabel
Port Lavaca
Post
Presidio
Quanah
Quitman
Rankin
Refugio
Rio Grande City
Robert Lee
Roby
Rocksprings
Rockwall
Rosenberg
Rusk
San Angelo
San Antonio
San Augustine
San Marcos
San Saba
Sanderson
Schulenburg
Sealy
Seguin
Seminole
Seymour
Shamrock
Sherman
Sierra Blanca
Silverton
Sinton
Slaton
Snyder
Sonora
Spearman
Spur
Stanton
Stephenville
Sterling City
Stratford
Sulphur Springs
Sweetwater
Tahoka
Taylor
Temple
Terrell
Texarkana
Texas City
Throckmorton
Tilden
Trinity
Tulia
Tyler
Universal City
Uvalde
Van Horn
Vega
Vernon
Victoria
Waco
Wallisville
Waxahachie
Weatherford
Wellington
Weslaco
Wheeler
Wichita Falls
Winnie
Woodville
Zapata

people might have to travel tens of miles once every ten years for an ID.

 

^ Please take a lesson from CaseyH/Bandwagoner etc as emblematic of the pro-voter suppression lobby, though in fairness he's just echoing the arguments throughout the thread on this.

In pro voter-suppression law logic the first priority, when evaluating a law, is not a cost/benefit analysis of the law, or even if that law solves a problem, or if that problem even exists - it's merely the subjective cost of compliance therewith.

For a law requiring him to stick his finger up his ass and sing the star spangled banner to eliminate chemtrails on tuesdays - the meaningful question is whether or not the digital probe is unduly burdensome to comply with - not whether or not the problem exists or if the law solves the problem or has other negative consequences (such as not shaking hands with him on tuesdays...)

 

For this reason, the election organizations set up many polling places distributed throughout the community. And, many get out the vote organizations will drive people to the polling stations to be sure its not an obstacle. Are there organizations whose mission it is to drive you to the DPS to get your ID card?

 

It's very simple.

You registered with an ID. You passed screening then. At the voting station, they have your name and address where you are registered to vote. Once you vote, they scratch off your name. This works fine. There is no ability to vote multiple times, and there is no ability to vote in other districts or other states.

If you show up at a voting station where you are not listed to vote, then you must show Photo ID or they turn you away to go to your registered voting station.

 

I don't GAF about it and was just reading the thread for information. Who you should be mad at is geeimsobored for pulling stuff out of his butt and making insane claims that are easily proven false. That does much more harm to an argument.

I love the fact that someone who stands up for nothing except the facts has his finger up his butt and looks for chemtrails. All I did was point out a huge BS lie in someones post and I am the crazy one requiring a hate filled post. Not even a reply for the r****ded original post though.

 

Personally, I would probably allow early voting at around the midpoint between the completion of the primaries and Election Day.

 

Assuming the ID were both free and easy for any citizen to obtain, I wouldn't see this as any more obtrusive than having to register to vote in the first place.

 

You don't have a Constitutional right to buy beer.

 

I see white walkers voting all the time in Minnesota. It's a real problem up here in the North.

 

Republicans have admitted that the reason they are pressing for Voter ID laws is to suppress Democrat turnout, not fraudulent turnout.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...r-id-laws-are-aimed-at-democratic-voters.html

 

Also the amount of time taken out of a work day to go and get your ID.

 

It isn't purely the expense, though ANY expense amounts to a poll tax.

For many, it is more about the cumbersome process one must go through to acquire ID. I have posted the travails I had to go through to get ID having let mine lapse. Long story short, it took 3 months, 3 vacation days, and multiple trips to various offices along with the expense of both paying for the ID and a copy of my birth certificate. And that is in a major metropolitan area where all of those offices were in easy driving distance.