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Could Jame Harden run the offense like Nash did to perfection?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by James Hardashian, Jul 23, 2016.

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  1. Htownballer38

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    We shall see.
     
  2. HayesIsBack

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    Hmm ... No. Harden at PG will be ok, but not great.

    Even if we ignore turnovers, and assume Harden passes as well as Nash, there is one inherent difference - the ability to run a team. That is a very different skill to passing, and a guy averaging 8 assists may actually not be a PG.

    As Magic used said to say (paraphrasing), you need to run, and somewait slow it down, let the big men catch their breath and go again. You need to know when to feed to hot hand, and when to get easy shots to guys with a cold hand to get their confidence up.

    Harden doesnt have those skills. At least not in abundance.
     
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    Nope, he doesn't have the stamina, the 3pt shot nor the dribbling skills.
     
  4. TEXNIFICENT

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    Harden should be himself and he will be fine. Clean up his careless turnovers and let the offense work for him and everything else will take care of itself.
     
  5. Williamson

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    James Harden is better than Nash already. But he's a very different player.
     
  6. Dankstronaut

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    Like Nash? No, but can he run it and be successful? Absolutely.

    I think he needs to have more faith in the team, he should since shooting was the offseason priority. How to get less turnovers is simple. Pass the rock! Be ready for the swing to come back around. Steve Nash didn't invent alley oops or assists. He was just willing to let a defense forget that he would throw in 30 if he wanted to. Imagine that, a defense focusing on stopping capela at the rim and Anderson/Gordon in the corners that they forget one of the best driving/finishing players in the world is getting easier looks.
     
  7. batkins

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    Nash is one of the best PG's ever. Harden is a scorer that can pass the ball just as good as PG's, but he's still a scorer first. So to answer your question, no. He doesn't need to be though.
     
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    James Harden is a selfish offensive player despite the assist. Look beyond what normal eyes see and look through the lens of basketball 101. How many solid screens does he set? What does he do off the ball? How is hos movement in terms of making the defense look for him when he's not handling the ball? Tracy McGrady was very similar except Tracy would pass to pass vs Harden passes when he doesn't have shooting options. So to answer the op, no, but you can believe what you want to.
     
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    Wait who is Jame
     
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    Jame(s) = (S)teve Nash?

    Therefore Jame can't run the MDA offense. Nice, OP.
     
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    The only success he's had was with Nash which was a anomaly. Look at what the had the 1st yr he got there. Joe Johnson who could handle ,shoot,and pass at 6'8. So much so, he got a max deal from Atl. Shawn Marion, a versitile double double athelete as unique as anyone who has ever played in the nba. Amare Stoudemire was the best pick and roll ,pick n pop big since Karl Malone. He could finish on top of your head and he added a mid range jumper that was money in the bank. Add that to Nash who wad a great shoiter and passrr while running the show. Talent wise, the rockets arent anywhere close to the Suns talent level. In order, anyone with sense would take nash,harden,amare,johnson,marion . Hell barbosa might even go before the next rocket.
     
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    H. E. Double hockey sticks NO.
     
  14. Amiga

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    Don't have the handles of Nash
     
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    I hate to say it, but Parsons would have been a force to reckon with in this offense. As is we'll have to keep our aging 3-and-D wing on the corner baseline while Harden, Anderson and Gordon comprise the dangerous moving pieces in a D'Antoni offense, and Capela/Nene stand ready for pics and cuts to the rim. It will be better than any offense we've had under McHale, but the defense will obviously suffer as well.
     
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    MDA was the cause of insanity of some sort in NYC a few years back with a certain PNR point guard.

    We aren't as talented as those Suns but we do have the blueprints and building blocks for what made MDA successful. I predict we will be a perennial 2nd round playoff team without a major trade or significant jump in development from the youngins.
     
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    Neither Nash led Suns or Linsanity was good enough to win anything. Harden doesn't need to be Nash, he needs to be the best Harden he can be.
     
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    no... he may start out all yippy skippy followin the plan... but he'll be getting winded and revert to his old ways quick enough... imo, hope I'm wrong...
     
  19. alethios

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    His are more like love handles.
     
  20. getbloodyred

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    Nash is a great player, but Harden does not need to be EXACTLY like him to be as successful in the D'Antoni offense. Y'all are acting as if Harden has to do everything exactly like Nash or else he will crash and burn. Harden is a dominant PnR ball handler, a dominant shooter off the dribble, and has a dominant basketball IQ. Not saying his IQ is better than Nash, because it isn't, but it doesn't have to be. Harden makes up for any deficiencies in passing and taking care of the ball with his ability to score off the dribble, something Nash was not dominant at. James Harden will have a great individual season and if the rest of the team can pick up the slack, we might be able to make some noise.
     

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