Still ignoring the fact that Lebron is a far more dominant player than Kobe could ever hope to be. As for clutch stats. Yes Lebron shoots better in the clutch. Not that that is an indicator of anything. Shooting in the clutch stats are usually meaningless. Lets look at this season. In the clutch, Miami is outscoring opponents by approximately 34.6 points per 100 possessions this season by NBA.com's estimations. That's only the 2nd best figure in the last 5 seasons. Here's the top 10 since 1996-97. See if you notice a trend. 2009 Cavaliers: +39.9 2013 Heat: +34.6 2011 Mavericks: +29.5 2007 Mavericks: +29.0 2006 Clippers: +27.1 2010 Cavaliers: +26.4 1998 Lakers: +26.2 1999 Magic: +25.7 2008 Cavaliers: +24.2 2004 Pacers: +23.4 Lebron and Dirk are well represented on this list hmmm....
took me about 8 yrs of Lebron hating but I think I'm finally on board with him and will acknowledge his true greatness.
Why shooting clutch stats are meaningless.... Sample size is small, often based on luck to be frank, oversimplified, doesn't account for much. The stats I posted are much more meaningful though they are team stats.
This is true. It still doesn't answer my question though. If Kobe only led LA to 2 titles, why must LeBron lead his team to 3 considering he has better numbers (even if you only look at the post Shaq numbers) and more MVP's? When Kobe led LA to titles he too was on the best team in basketball. No different than LeBron.
Barkley but the point is you weigh everything when you compare legacies. You don't think Barkley's legacy was hurt by the fact he has no rings? You think Bill Russell would be brought up as a top 3 center if he had 0 rings? If Hakeem was the one with 11 rings, you don't think people more would say he's the GOAT center? The imprint Kobe's left in the league is huge. The amount of memories in the playoffs. The records. The Laker's franchise. If you guys think LeBron's already surpassed his legacy, that's your opinion, but I don't see it at all. He needs to do more. There's a reason Wade said last month, "When you look back at this era there’s going to be a lot of players that you can pick from. You can talk about their greatness. This is a good era for basketball, and it would be led by Kobe Bryant – who was the greatest player in our era.”
I'm still waiting on an answer for why LeBron needs to get 3 titles when Kobe only led his team to 2. Kobe has LeBron on longevity (he started his career earlier) and titles won (team accomplishment). All the individual stuff, LeBron has already surpassed (more MVP's and better numbers). If he wins a title this year then he will catch him in rings won as a primary player.
It's pretty clear you have double standards and you're definitely not weighing everything (ignoring MVP's & Lebron's significantly superior efficiency). If you really think championships are that important, then it makes sense that you'd rank Kobe > Lebron. But by putting Barkley > Gasol, you're undermining your original argument.
How do you figure I'm ignoring those factors when I said Bron would only need 3 rings to have his legacy be comparable to Kobe's?
Right now, Kobe has 1 MVP, 2 FMVP, 5 championships, and stats that aren't particularly impressive. And you're basically saying that for Lebron's legacy to be comparable to Kobe's, he'd need 4 MVP's, 3 FMVPs, 3 championships, and significantly superior stats. So for you to make such a bizarre statement, you have to be ignoring something...
Just watch them play. Kobe is obviously a gifted scorer but even in his prime he did stupid things and forced plays. The game just comes easier to Lebron and he is obviously more physically talented. This isn't a knock on Kobe. He was a great player. Lebron is just a once in a generation type of player.
Kobe>Lebron. If without Shaq, Kobe would have less rings, but better stats and probably more finals MVP's. So far Lebron only has one ring in a shortened season with the strongest supporting cast in NBA history.
Just because Kobe was a young second option to one of the GOAT centers doesn't mean he wasn't a big factor in winning. He was big in all of those playoffs and put up huge numbers. You can't just ignore those seasons like they never happened.
I hated lebron bc hes been hyped since high school. Didnt like him til that playoff game cavs vs pistons where he took over. Didnt have a reason to hate him before or after
Championship = team Stats and accolades = Player The theory of holding championship rings over greatness is just embarrassing if so Bill Russel > Jordan
