[ClutchFans] The Rockets-Knicks Draft Pick Protection Terms

Clutch you're the best! ...hope NY knicks end up getting #2 pick then next year #6 lol

 

If we end up getting high draft picks,they might end up having greater value than Martin. Kevin is a fine scorer,but his addition seems more like a desperation move to me.

 

How is it desperation when Morey got the player he's been wanting for a long time? It's been discussed already that letting Tmac expire won't have the financial benefits like many thought it would. Losing Landry does hurt a bit, but to me Kevin and Carl are a wash, late round picks who blossomed into stud players. Kevin's recent health woes does concern me and here's where I hope JT develops next year to be a dependable backup to KM if he gets hurt (again).

 

Are you sure? I've heard that the guy who wrote that doesn't know what he's talking about? :grin:

 

There should have been a condition on this. e.g. if NY gets the 2011 1st pick, Houston should get a NY 2nd round pick or something else.

 

I didn't expect anything like this for Tracy's expiring contract. DM deserves credit for it.

The desperation part is overlooking Martin's health concerns and the fact that he plays only on one side of the court. He has a four contract too.Battier and Ariza were doing poorly,so DM reached out for Martin. His thinking seems that the former will be able to do the dirty work on defense,and let Martin take care of the rest. This line of thinking is flawed in my opinion,and will end up hurting us the long run.

We are the last team in the world,who could afford to take a risk with a player with an injury history.

Losing Landry will hurt us too. Luis is a good player,but we needed Carl. It's true that he was facing trouble with double teaming and didn't rebound well,but he is young and could have eventually played through it.

We will get better in the short run, but remain a middle of the road ball club,unless we get some very good players from the draft. (The potentially high picks is the part that I like about the deal). If Hill gives us anything,it will be a bonus,but he has a long way to go.

 

Thanks for the summary, Clutch. One follow-up question: I think this means that, this offseason, NY can't be trading whatever pick they end up with in 2011 (whether their own or Houston's), right?

I believe there is a rule that requires a team to have at least 1 first rounder in the two upcoming drafts. As far as I can tell, the Knicks likely won't have a 1st rounder in 2012 (unless they acquired one somewhere that I don't know about), so they can't be trading the 2011 pick (again, either their own or Houston's) until after the 2011 draft or until they acquire an extra 1st rounder in 2011 or 2012.

A somewhat minor point, but given that NY only has 4 guys on the roster signed through next year (Douglas, Chandler, Curry and Gallinari), not being able to trad ethe 2011 first rounder would further hinder their flexibility in doing a S&T.

 

This would be correct. It also means if they want to do a sign and trade (ie, to give a max free agent an extra year and 30m on their deal), the earliest first rounder they can give up would be 2014.

 

If the Rockets don't get the Knicks' first rounder by 2015, then they win instead receive the Knicks' own 2015 second rounder and the Knicks' own 2016 second rounder.

As much as it sucks to end up with only two second rounders, at the very least, that 2015 second rounder will be in the #31-35 range, making it (IMHO) better than a very late first rounder. Also, if the Knicks are THAT bad for THAT long, it stands to reason that they will continue their losing ways for another year and the 2016 second rounder will be in the #31-40 range.

 

Yep. Yet another reason to love just how badly Morey has screwed the Knicks. They have no assets (short of that 2014 pick and freakin' Toney Douglas) with which to organize any sort of sign-and-trade.

 

They still got the possbility of an s&t of David Lee, or trading Gallinari or Chandler. But their cupboard is so thin that dealing any of these in a FA deal make the team less attractive to the FA.

 

Answers my questions. Thanks Clutch.

 

Posted this in another thread that was locked but wasn't really fully answered. Wanted to post in here as well. And Clutch, GREAT breakdown on the picks!

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I have a question that I don't remember seeing answered.

Regarding the Rockets 2011 Swap option...AFTER the 2010 draft has occurred, at that time the Knicks can THEN trade their 2011 1st round pick. So, if they trade with another team, let's say it's a good team, then that "Right to Swap" gets applied to that other team? Is this a way for NY to use the 2011 pick as an asset for themselves, whereby our "Swap ability" (which we still have the option) is not as appealing as it wouldn't be NY's pick, but some other teams?
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No, the Knicks CANNOT trade their 2011 pick after the 2010 draft. Teams cannot be without a first round pick in two consecutive future drafts. Because the Knicks have already traded their 2012 pick to the Rockets, they cannot trade their 2011 pick unless they have another 2011 pick from another team.

And even if they somehow got another team's 2011 pick and decided to trade their own pick in 2011, it would not adversely affect the Rockets. The other team would only be getting the lower of the Knicks' pick and the Rockets' pick.

The "swap rights" would not transfer to any other team's pick.

Similarly, if the Rockets were to trade their right to swap picks to another team, that team would only be getting the higher of the Knicks' pick and the Rockets' pick (top-1 protected). It would not give that other team the right to swap its own pick with New York's.

Does this answer your question?