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[ClutchFans] How Golden State gets so wide open

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, Apr 17, 2016.

  1. blahblehblah

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    yes, I remember reading a post on reddit which also stated this and I generally agree with the interpretation. However the key is in the interpretation. IMO most of the screens by GS are similar to those set by other teams, as coach nick at basketballbreakdown illustrated last month. However, I do think Bogut is better at subtle tricks such as moving sideways while also backwards after contact, tugging and holding than any other player.
     
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    This. I think they got away with a lot of holding, both Green and Draymond.
     
  3. heypartner

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    Well, what should we think if I find a 2-min ruling of another team getting called for that?

    If I find one, it will be pretty damning that the NBA is calling things differently for GSW, because not allowing a defender to change directions to get around a screen, after the offensive player took that very same path is a foul. It was never the intention of the screen rules, or microscopic reading of the rules, to allow that.
     
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    FOX Sports on Warriors and illegal screens:

    More at Link
     
  5. Clutch

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    Thought Ronnie Nunn's tweet was interesting as was Mark Cuban's reply to it.

    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/NunnBetterRefs">@NunnBetterRefs</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/xcrazer">@xcrazer</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/ArtemPanchenko">@ArtemPanchenko</a> shouldn't officials see the screens in post gm video review? OGRs? Why is outside attn needed?</p>&mdash; Mark Cuban (@mcuban) <a href="https://twitter.com/mcuban/status/722070998548242432">April 18, 2016</a></blockquote>
    <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
     
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    Cuban had to have watched the clip, right? Crazy times we're living in
     
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    I think that's almost certainly true. That's not new, though...there have always been veterans good at masking very slight breaking of the rules. Whether you consider such a player "savvy" or "cheating" tends to depend on whether he plays for your team or not.
     
  9. topfive

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    Here's an example from the league that describes as "illegal" the same method used in the "Bogut Special."

    In this case, Boozer sets the pick (barely), then continues to move against the player he's screening. The difference is that somebody on the Warriors' staff has determined that if you do this while pretending you're just trying to keep your balance, the refs won't call it. When you have sharpshooters like Curry and Thompson, the tiny bit of extra time and space created by these illegal screens is deadly. That unfair advantage is compounded by the refs usually calling fouls on the same types of screens set by GS's opponents.

    Then again, I'm sure the league loves finally having an elite team in that huge Bay Area media market.
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    That's hilarious given 04-05.
     
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    I do think that having videos go viral will get the NBA's attention.

    The flopping video frenzies a few years ago got them to install the flopping fine. Even though one might argue that the fine is just cosmetic without much substance. It did at least force them to take up the issue rather than sweeping it under the rug.

    I am pretty sure the league will do something about the illegal screen problem after this postseason. Whether it will be something effective remains to be seen.
     
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    I want to see how the NBA responds when other teams begin testing the boundaries more. If these kinds of screens are legal, then every team should start leveraging these "smart" screens.
     
  13. mac2yao

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    Every team does. Just not to such tremendous success, because they don't have the same personnel.
     
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    Cuban calling them out. Love it.
     
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    I'm convinced. It seems to be Bogut most of the time. The guy knows a lot of tricks of the business and is not shy to use them.
     
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    They pass the ball as guys make lots of cuts and setup screens for curry.
     
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    They are very good actors. Just watch their acts and how they do it. The arms flailing, those contorting faces, eyes as if they're just moving to somewhere they're supposed to be or just acting as if the players that they screened are the actual people who's clinging to them. They might have trained with it a lot to be able to execute them almost perfectly every game. ;)
     
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    Why not? As long as you've got also the shooters to complement it.
     
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    The screener may move in the same direction and path of the opponent being screened.


    Well, that's it... as a screener, you are permitted to move with your opponent. How fast, it's up to you as a screener. So literally, you can delay your opponent just enough for a shooter with fast release to launch those bombs.
     
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    Which would be fine if they called it that way for any team other than the Warriors.
     

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