1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

ClutchFans Game Thread: Lakers @ Rockets 1/8/2013

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, Jan 6, 2013.

  1. wfeebs

    wfeebs Member

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2012
    Messages:
    1,019
    Likes Received:
    90
    Montana*
     
  2. torocan

    torocan Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2012
    Messages:
    4,228
    Likes Received:
    436
    Well, the key word in your response is "gamble".

    I'm a big believer in playing the percentages. 100% of X vs undefinable percentage chance of X to me is a no brainer.

    It's why Harden vs Lamb was never a debate for me. You take 23 year old Harden 100% of the time, no matter what you think Lamb's up side is unless you genuinely think he'll be the next Michael Jordan or Kevin Durant.

    Of course, the Lin vs CP3 trade is conjecture. I really don't see CP3 leaving the Clippers. The Clippers are a legitimate contender and steam rolling the opposition. Even if they fall short in the play offs (quite possible considering how tough the West is with SAS/OKC and Memphis fighting it out), I just don't see CP3 walking on the Clippers to gamble on going to a potential contender in Houston.

    Similarly, I don't see the Clippers wanting to gamble with their core. They might tinker around the edges, but I think they would consider CP3 to be untouchable.

    The real question is whether there is a PG that is realistically available that would be worth trading Lin. I just don't see any out there when you look at a combination of Lin's up side PLUS his youth (can play for Houston for years) AND how cheap his contract is compared to what you'd have to pay for a premium PG.

    Our most likely scenario right now is Harden + Lin, then see what is available in free agency.

    Asik is great, but there are a handful of centers available this year that might tempt the Rockets FO.

    Parsons has been very good, but similarly there are potential PF's and SF's that would also tempt the Rockets FO.

    Right now, I suspect the FO considers Harden to be untouchable, and Lin might as well be untouchable simply because he's playing well enough to keep the FO happy and there aren't any real top tier PG's that are likely to be on the block this season.

    And given how well the Rockets are playing this year, I wouldn't be shocked if Morey stood pat and instead focused on getting a top tier PF. I don't think any of us know what the top end potential of this team will be... and it will be hard for Morey to not want to let it play out.
     
  3. Dimeron

    Dimeron Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2012
    Messages:
    15
    Likes Received:
    1
    Chris Paul salary, 17.8 mil a year.

    Lin salary, 5 mil a year/8 mill for cap purpose.

    I really don't think this trade is realistic.

    It is like asking, do you sell your favorite car/house/collector's item for 3x the current market price. Most people would say yes in a heart beat.
     
  4. kuku

    kuku Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2012
    Messages:
    2,158
    Likes Received:
    125
    Great post!

    If LeBron wants to, I have no doubt that he can easily lead the league in scoring.

    The difference between LeBron/Harden and Melo/Kobe is one understands the game and what it takes to win and the other doesnt.

    Low BBIQ = Kobe/Melo
     
  5. Rip Van Rocket

    Rip Van Rocket Contributing Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    7,152
    Likes Received:
    356
    Another masterful coaching job by McHale. Lakers came out hot and the Rockets were a little flat. It didn't take long for McHale to go to the bench and the Rockets weathered the storm. It's always a guessing game for any coach in regard to getting the right players in the game at the right time. McHale has definitely been pushing all the right buttons recently.

    Really happy to see Parsons make some shots last night, he looked really good. Happy to see Lin make a couple more three pointers. Three point shooting may not be his greatest strength, but he has to become at least average from long range. Once again our bench was great. Delfino, Patterson, and Douglas kept us in the game. And finally, Harden really is a Superstar, 31 points and 9 assists, just amazing stuff.
     
  6. JJ23

    JJ23 Rookie

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2012
    Messages:
    807
    Likes Received:
    13
    You're forgetting about chemistry. CP3 needs the ball in his hands, as a lot of PGs do, in order to be truly effective. If CP3 came here and Harden had to soley play off the ball, it could create chemistry issues and render Harden less effective offensively. If we were to split the ball handling between CP3 and Harden, that could also create problems for CP3. Would this throw his rythm off having to spot up for treys a lot more and having the ball out of his hands?

    Also, I think there comes a point when always embracing a statistical approach fails. The Lakers are a prime example of this. Going for the statistically proven player/s can wreck havoc on team chemistry. Sometimes, it's better to develop players based on their upside and go from there. I believe Lin is one of those players whose ceiling we will never know. Will he be better than Nash? Maybe. Will he be equally as good as or even better than CP3 someday? Maybe or maybe not. Only time will tell.
     
  7. bongman

    bongman Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    4,213
    Likes Received:
    1,411
    Sorry my friend. CP3 was drafted by NO because they had an abysmal 18-64 record. His first year, they finished 38-44. They won 20 more games by adding one rookie player - that is remarkable. By his 3rd year, he was making his teammates play better that David West (where is he now?) and himself played in the all star game. They finished 56-26 and took them as far as the WC semifinals. You then add up what the Clippers has been doing this year (destroying almost everybody), there are no question marks for this guy.

    When you talk about being competitive and hating to lose, the NBA scene is in agreement that Kobe and CP3 is head and shoulders above the other players. He is a fierce competitor and a true leader.

    Any GM who would refuse to trade Lin for CP3 will automatically lose their job the next day.
     
  8. redearth

    redearth Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Nov 5, 2012
    Messages:
    1,169
    Likes Received:
    33
    I'm not sure if someone already posted this in answer to the question of who has the most consecutive 25 point games. I could only find the following...

    Most consecutive 50+ point games
    -- 7 by Wilt Chamberlain from December 16-29, 1961

    Most consecutive 40+ point games
    -- 14 by Wilt Chamberlain from December 8-30, 1961 and January 11-February 1, 1962 [6]

    Most consecutive 30+ point games
    -- 65 by Wilt Chamberlain from November 4, 1961-February 22, 1962

    Most consecutive 20+ point games
    -- 126 by Wilt Chamberlain from October 19, 1961-January 19, 1963

    Most consecutive 10+ point games
    -- 866 by Michael Jordan from March 25, 1986-December 26, 2001

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_regular_season_records
     
  9. glacier921

    glacier921 Rookie

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2012
    Messages:
    1,396
    Likes Received:
    22
    Rockets are scoring 120 something points per game. Maybe Lin is the Drew Brees? I'd like to think Montana because I'm here in SF. What i really mean is that Lin has the Montana effect, making a lot of his other scrub players look good. I mean, who remembers Freddie Solomon, Mike Wilson, and Newton Williams? Bet you guys don't know who they are unless you do a quick nfl reference dot com search.

    By the way, who's better than Montana? No QB was better than Montana...as of yet.
     
  10. SuperStar

    SuperStar Member

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2008
    Messages:
    5,057
    Likes Received:
    70
    You and that Bravefox are pretty nutty with your comparisons o_O.
     
  11. glacier921

    glacier921 Rookie

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2012
    Messages:
    1,396
    Likes Received:
    22
    Didn't Dwayne Casey say that Calderon is their quarterback? Their Peyton Manning? Just saying.
     
  12. SuperStar

    SuperStar Member

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2008
    Messages:
    5,057
    Likes Received:
    70
    The only thing that is comparable is that the position of quarterback is similar to a point guard. Trying to compare a basketball player to a football player is dumb.
     
  13. JJ23

    JJ23 Rookie

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2012
    Messages:
    807
    Likes Received:
    13
    What about the passes? ;)
     
  14. SuperStar

    SuperStar Member

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2008
    Messages:
    5,057
    Likes Received:
    70
    Ok ok Lin is like Tony Romo, throw too much interceptions.
     
  15. glacier921

    glacier921 Rookie

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2012
    Messages:
    1,396
    Likes Received:
    22
    Or butterfinger receivers like Asik and Morris.
     
  16. SuperStar

    SuperStar Member

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2008
    Messages:
    5,057
    Likes Received:
    70
    And who's fault was it when he was with the Knicks?
     
  17. JJ23

    JJ23 Rookie

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2012
    Messages:
    807
    Likes Received:
    13
    Lol. Nah just a few here and there. No biggy. I don't mind those long passes because the majority of times they work during transition plays. What I don't like are the out of control or lazy passes he sometimes makes, but I'm sure he'll learn as the season progresses.
     
  18. catch22

    catch22 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2009
    Messages:
    275
    Likes Received:
    8
    the issue is would you trade lin + asik + parsons or ppat to match CP3's salary (otherwise there is no trade). answer to me is obviously no.

    however, for a theoretical discussion of a one to one trade of lin/cps, morey will be insane not to do it. from a value perspective you are paying $8m per year for a player that is worth $15m+ right now
     
  19. Grigori

    Grigori Member

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2010
    Messages:
    1,111
    Likes Received:
    74
    Casey is an idiot. His analogy is inapt. Peyton gets rid of the ball on time.

    [​IMG]
     
  20. MrButtocks

    MrButtocks Contributing Member

    Joined:
    May 29, 2005
    Messages:
    7,254
    Likes Received:
    5,165
    If CP3 can play next to Jamal Crawford, he can play with anybody. If Harden can play next to Russell Westbrook, he can play with anybody.
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now