See? Like i said above, in Crackpot land- even threads that blow up in his face, like the 2015-16 winter season being the warmest in recorded history - are cited as reinforcing evidence of the SECRET KNOWLEDGE and the ultimate righteousness of his cause. Frankly the more the evidence stacks up - the better it is for those who have been granted the countervailing SECRET KNOWLEDGE insofar as it makes them even more steadfast and elite in their KNOWLEDGE
Does this secret knowledge also contain "Jet fuel can't melt steel beams" or one of the classic originals "Cigarettes don't cause cancer" ? This thread just seems like a bad Hollywood sequel.
The report, co-authored by 456 scientists from 62 countries, adds to overwhelming evidence demonstrating that unless immediate action is taken to reduce carbon emissions, our planet will continue on its path to a very grim future. http://www.ametsoc.net/sotc/StateoftheClimate2015_lowres.pdf
Interesting article below. You really have to wonder what kinds of assumptions some of these researchers are making when they build their models. As we saw, professor McAsshat's assumptions lead him to the vastly incorrect conclusion that Arctic sea ice would be gone by this year. So obviously researchers are making assumptions that conflict with their colleagues. Makes you wonder. [rquoter]Reality check on reproducibility Is there a reproducibility crisis in science? Yes, according to the readers of Nature. Two-thirds of researchers who responded to a survey by this journal said that current levels of reproducibility are a major problem. The ability to reproduce experiments is at the heart of science, yet failure to do so is a routine part of research. Some amount of irreproducibility is inevitable: profound insights can start as fragile signals, and sources of variability are infinite. But, the survey suggests, there is a bigger issue — and something that needs to be fixed. One-third of the survey respondents said that they think about the reproducibility of their own research daily, and more than two-thirds discuss it with colleagues at least monthly. The survey, of course, probably attracted researchers most interested in these issues. But it would be foolish to pretend that there is not serious concern. What does ‘reproducibility’ mean? Those who study the science of science joke that the definition of reproducibility itself is not reproducible. Reproducibility can occur across different realms: empirical, computational and statistical. Replication can be analytical, direct, systematic or conceptual. Different people use reproducibility to mean repeatability, robustness, reliability and generalizability. Economists and social scientists often use the term to mean that computer code and data are available so that someone would be able, if so inclined, to redo the same analysis using the same data. For bench scientists, who made up most of our respondents, it usually means that another scientist using the same methods gets similar results and can draw the same conclusions. We asked respondents to use this definition. Even with a fixed definition, the criteria for reproducibility can vary dramatically between scientists. Senior scientists will not expect each tumour sample they examine under a microscope to look exactly like the images presented in a scientific publication; less experienced scientists might worry that such a result shows lack of reproducibility. Scientists will need more rigorous use of terminology to get to grips with the problem. For now, broad-brush discussions and solutions are useful. Researchers lament that experiments that cannot be repeated do not give a solid foundation to build on. Pressure to publish, selective reporting, poor use of statistics and finicky protocols can all contribute to wobbly work. Researchers can also be hampered from building on basically solid work by difficult techniques, poorly described methods and incompletely reported data. Funding agencies and publishers are helping to reduce these problems. Funders have changed their grant requirements and awarded grants for the design of courses to improve statistical literacy; journals are supporting technologies and policies that help to address inadequate documentation. For example, Nature’s Protocol Exchange website is available to host a protocol for any experiment, pre- or post-publication. One-third of survey respondents report that they have taken the initiative to improve reproducibility. The simple presence of another person ready to question whether a data point or a sample should really be excluded from analysis can help to cut down on cherry-picking, conscious or not. A couple of senior scientists have set up workflows that avoid having a single researcher in charge of preparing images or collecting results. Dozens of respondents reported steps to make better use of statistics, randomization or blinding. One described an institution-level initiative to teach scientists computer tools so they could share and analyse data collaboratively. Key to success was making sure that their data-management system also saved time. Another respondent spent three months working on a set of tools that enables different researchers to apply the same equations across different software and computing environments and found that it led to praise, publications and collaborations. Nature’s survey was launched before the US National Institutes of Health revised its grant requirements to improve reproducibility, and no survey questions asked explicitly about how research institutions might contribute, or how much time and money respondents would be willing to allocate to dedicated efforts to enhance reliability or replicate work. Our respondents seemed in principle receptive to such initiatives, which is encouraging for those — including Nature — who have already introduced steps to improve reproducibility. More steps are needed — starting with a discussion in the research community on how to properly credit, and talk to each other about, attempted replications. [/rquoter]
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/aug/30/nasa-climate-change-warning-earth-temperature-warming sigh
People like Rojo will destroy this planet. History will look at them unkindly. I wonder if any part of their brain realizes the consequences of their positions.
What if climate change is real and we do not take actions? What if the climate change is not real and we take actions? Think about the consequences for both.
I always thought climate change deniers should run a charcoal grill inside their house and see if living conditions inside improve or worsen over time. I wonder if their house would get a hotter temperature if they did so. Would their ceilings or dare I say their whole house be set ablaze from this action? Probably so. Would they even be alive from the fumes of the burning coal inside their home? Or if you don't believe in environmental relief. Don't take out your trash. Ever. Let it build up and tell me if furry friends and insects you don't want come over. Tell me if the air is clean in your home. Tell me if heat doesn't go up inside your home. All these things we dump and all the stuff we burn may not be littered in our homes but it does go somewhere and it does do negative things to our environment. It's obvious. You'd have be the biggest moron on the planet to deny it still.
If mankind contributed to the climate change in a major way, then we can reduce the effect of the change. If the sea level rises by two to three meters (about 6-9 ft). The effect would be devastating to humans. Houston might be under water or have to be protected by a wall, same with New York, London Shanghai, etc. Many island nations would be completely under water.
I'm sure you've explained it before, so I apologize for asking, but what exactly about the preponderance of scientific evidence confirming climate change do you find unconvincing?
This thread will go on as the ice caps melt. Talk is free and cheap. At some point you just have to get **** done.
The single easiest way to reduce your "carbon-footprint" is to go vegan. Are you vegan? Besides, sea-level was rising before 1950 (a date the IPCC likes to use as a starting point for anthropogenic global warming), just to let you know. I don't find any of it unconvincing. 2014 was a record-setting year for Antarctica sea ice extent, and predictions of an ice-free Arctic in 2016 have turned out to be incorrect.
Don't worry cohete, none of the people that believe in global warming here have done a damn thing about it. They just like to b****.
That's the political aspect of all of this. They want everyone else to make sacrifices for them. But when it comes to their own initiative, suddenly they tense up and it becomes "Don't tread on me".
I know you want your burnt hot pocket nao in some quest for validating (or debunking) all worst case scenarios, but the net Arctic melt for this year so far is still very bad even if the year ended tomorrow no manner how you spin it. It's just not the worst...whoopie! Great that Antarctica had a good year! That's 5-7m less of a sea level rise for everyone... Now tell me wtf is going on right now in the Arctic and Greenland. A one-off word of friendly advice...you're adding nothing to this debate other than cheerleading from the bleachers, but please try in your heart of hearts not to project whatever anger or frustration you have for other members with blanket accusations and bitter bull**** like the one I quoted above. It's a message board, but sometimes I think the feels are real.
And remember folks, Crackpot Rojo who not only possesses SECRET KNOWLEDGE about what's really happening with global warming and how it's all a giant scam, despite not having more than a high school education, also possesses SECRET KNOWLEDGE about how you live your own lives and that sustainability is a farce - how, you ask? He can't tell you - otherwise it wouldn't be SECRET KNOWLEDGE, and he wouldn't be the man he is today.