1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Chuck Hayes signs for 1 year vet min with Rockets

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by ROCKCITY, Jul 29, 2015.

  1. flamingdts

    flamingdts Member

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2008
    Messages:
    11,558
    Likes Received:
    4,502
    Hayes was been underutilized most of his career, but whenever he was given the chance he always shined. Rick Adelman himself admitted that he messed up not giving Chuck Hayes minutes during a few seasons, but he had no idea Chuck was so effective on the court. He is one of the best glue guys you could get for cheap.

    Dorsey hasn't done jack in his career. I prefer the 3rd string player that has a proven history than the 3rd string that has none.
     
  2. waytookrzy079

    waytookrzy079 Member

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2008
    Messages:
    3,802
    Likes Received:
    2,689
    Dorsey started 17 games last year - Rockets were 11-6. If you replace Dorsey with Hayes, IMO, that's at least 2 more wins with just the IQ and leadership that Chuck brings to the team.
     
  3. dobro1229

    dobro1229 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2010
    Messages:
    24,030
    Likes Received:
    19,946
    I'm sure Chuck will still be able to, at the very least, provide a situational post defender.

    The big question is, will they be able to now run any of the old Adelman corner offense sets now that they have a big who can run those plays?

    I know Fitch knows these plays, and knows how to coach them as he's done with his other teams in the past down in RGV and with GB. Not sure if McHale is really gonna want to mess with a good portion of training camp implementing these sets again for a guy who is the 13th man off the bench though.

    Also not sure you want Harden running around off the ball, coming off screens and going back door. Ariza as well isn't necessarily a great slash & finish guy at the 3.

    Oh well. Getting Chuck back as a situational defender/Dorsey type insurance big, and locker room presence is well worth the vet min contract.
     
  4. AMS

    AMS Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2003
    Messages:
    9,646
    Likes Received:
    218
    Those Free Throws....
     
  5. finsraider

    finsraider Member

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2010
    Messages:
    6,924
    Likes Received:
    4,984
    There's probably going to be multiple adjustments to the offense this offseason, so I don't see why we can't add this in. I'd actually like to see DMo get some time from the high post.
     
  6. dragician

    dragician Member

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2011
    Messages:
    3,990
    Likes Received:
    131
    Yey! Bye Dwight.
     
  7. dobro1229

    dobro1229 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2010
    Messages:
    24,030
    Likes Received:
    19,946
    They do actually run the same corner offense sets with D-Mo & the other bigs, but they don't ever run backdoor for the big to make passes inside the paint.

    You had guys like Budinger/Dragic/Lee etc. that played with Hayes that would always make hard cuts, and even do that little PG/SG off the ball pick to get an open layup from a Chuck Hayes pass.

    Now the Rockets run the same play from the start, but it usually just ends up looking like a screen where the big gets the pass in the high post, and hands back off to Harden who does what Harden does.

    So while our offense starts off looking the same, it doesn't have all the cool screens and movement that Adelman had our guards, and wings doing after the big gets the ball in the high post.

    But yeah, if D-Mo had the right kind of wings around him, and a coach that implemented these sets, I think he'd be the perfect big to build that offense around.
     
  8. cdrive

    cdrive Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Nov 5, 2006
    Messages:
    7,471
    Likes Received:
    7,090
    Chuck Hayes > David West
     
  9. finsraider

    finsraider Member

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2010
    Messages:
    6,924
    Likes Received:
    4,984
    I think Harden, McDaniels, and Brewer can all do the hard cuts.

    With Lawson we're going to have a more balanced court, which opens up those pocket passes in the paint.
     
  10. BasketballReasons

    BasketballReasons Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2008
    Messages:
    5,045
    Likes Received:
    237
    Bench is STACKED!!
     
  11. Misigns

    Misigns Member

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2008
    Messages:
    990
    Likes Received:
    70
    [youtube]eLsHS-NucpM[/youtube]
     
    2 people like this.
  12. PeppermintCandy

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2009
    Messages:
    4,176
    Likes Received:
    1,613
    He look better than ok.
     
  13. baller4life315

    baller4life315 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2003
    Messages:
    12,651
    Likes Received:
    2,919
    Love it. Thanks for posting.
     
  14. dobro1229

    dobro1229 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2010
    Messages:
    24,030
    Likes Received:
    19,946
    I remember Adelman's pitch to Morey & Les that really won him the gig was "I can make life easier on your stars", and installing this system really was a big part of that pitch.

    Does getting Harden & Howard's life get easier installing more of this into their offense? Geez... I don't know if you need to magnify Howard's decision making in the offense TBH. I kinda just want the guy's only thought process to be, set a screen, roll hard, jump, dunk, rinse repeat.

    As I mentioned, the offense often starts the same, but it is much more simplistic especially for the bigs.

    I'm really interested though to see what Harden can do more playing off the ball this year though assuming that happens anyways with the addition of Lawson. Harden could be unstoppable... or he could be disinterested in doing much of anything without the ball.

    Harden was great though with team USA when he played off the ball as well, but as Harden is still Harden, your best option is to get the guy the damn ball, and let him do what he does.

    We'll see, but yeah, I do want the coaches to do what they can to make life easier on Harden especially, and Howard. Whatever the system that expands on what we already run, it needs to be designed to extend the prime of his career and not burn him out.
     
  15. EightDoobies

    EightDoobies Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2013
    Messages:
    3,640
    Likes Received:
    1,822
    Can hold his own versus big PFs. I like it.
     
  16. cdrive

    cdrive Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Nov 5, 2006
    Messages:
    7,471
    Likes Received:
    7,090
    People truly don't grasp what has happened here. But I will spell it out for you:

    David West is Chuckwagon's b***h
    Zach Randolph is Chuckwagon's b***h
    Marc Gasol is Chuckwagon's b***h
    LaMarcus Aldridge is Chuckwagon's b***h
    Blake Griffin is Chuckwagon's b***h
    Tim Duncan is Chuckwagon's b***h
    Draymond Green is Chuckwagon's b***h

    Anyone in the NBA that tries to ISO on the post is Chuckwagon's b***h.

    This is chess not checkers. ESPN only understands checkers, so that's why they make a big deal out of David West. But West might as well just open up his wallet right now and hand Chuckwagon all his lunch money because that is how it's going to be.
     
    2 people like this.
  17. stipendlax

    stipendlax Member

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2008
    Messages:
    3,274
    Likes Received:
    136
    yo real talk not sure why but this got me pumped
     
  18. Deckard

    Deckard Blade Runner
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2002
    Messages:
    56,814
    Likes Received:
    39,127
    Was that from last season? If so, wow! Chuck's still got those quick feet on defense. He's still strong. I don't see what he's lost. We could have really used him in the playoffs.
     
  19. finsraider

    finsraider Member

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2010
    Messages:
    6,924
    Likes Received:
    4,984
    Thanks for posting. Looks like the old Hayes to me. Chuck made those shots insanely difficult....that's really all you can do.
     
  20. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2000
    Messages:
    21,656
    Likes Received:
    10,576
    People don't realize that Hayes is elite at positional defense. He just knows where to be all the time and how to get their quickly.
     
    1 person likes this.

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now