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[CHRONIC] Rockets still peeking inside Club Free Agency, but can't get in.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Rockets34Legend, Jul 13, 2010.

  1. Rockets34Legend

    Rockets34Legend Contributing Member

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    http://blogs.chron.com/nba/2010/07/rockets_still_peeking_inside_c.html

    Feeling left out?

    That is understandable. For the Rockets, watching free agency is like going to the hottest club and not getting past the velvet rope. You can get a look inside every time the door opens, but never quite getting inside.

    The Rockets made their run at Chris Bosh, but since then had set their sights on finding a big man backup for Yao Ming.

    So far, nothing. No deal, of any kind, other than the rubber stamp signing of rookie Patrick Patterson.

    They had something cooking for while with the Bobcats in a four-team deal in which Tyson Chandler would have headed to Houston, but never seemed confident they would get that done. Instead, the Heat found a better deal with Michael Beasley, sending him to Minnesota and scuttling that four-team deal. And the Rockets - without the cap space or cap relief trade chip - were still stuck on the outside looking in.

    Meanwhile, the big men deals have fallen to place all around them.

    The Jazz get Al Jefferson. The Mavericks pick up Tyson Chandler. You can run down the list. Zydrunas Ilgauskas to Miami. Jermaine O'Neal to Boston.

    It's not just stars and former stars. Johan Petro to New Jersey. Ian Mahinmi to Dallas. Even Hilton Armstrong found a home, going to Washington. Brian Cook got a deal with the Clippers. Seriously.

    The Rockets were not interested in a lot of those guys, couldn't get others. The Bobcats moved Chandler to get Erick Dampier's non-guaranteed contract and the significant savings that comes with it. The Rockets could not offer that, or the massive trade exception that Utah used to get Jefferson.

    That comes with having an entire roster already signed to guaranteed contracts, something the Rockets consider a good thing. But it has kept them from being players in the bigger deals that have gone down. And as solid as the roster might be, there is still that void, still the need for a big man to man the middle when Yao does not and to spar with him in practices.


    In truth, they did not feel a moment of regret after some of those deals. Others hurt.

    There is still a chance to land Brad Miller, who would fill their needs, if not bring the potential to fill a starring role that some of the other big men to have moved could. He will likely have to base a decision on the contract he can land, weighing offers from Boston, Chicago and Denver, too. (Miami is out.) If the Rockets are outbid, they will stick largely to their plan, but at this point, losing him would sting more than failing to sign Brad Miller normally would.

    Dampier might soon be a free agent, though the Bobcats can take their time before making any kind of move to release his non-guaranteed contract. He will be a 35-year-old, 14-year veteran, but he is a very large presence in the middle, something the Rockets have lacked, though clearly just a short-term fix and not the more active backup big that they want.

    The interest in Chandler seems to indicate the Rockets' thinking. A trade for Andris Biedrins, anyone? Shaq?

    The Rockets have been pretty determined to not make a deal out of desperation. The problem with that is you can sign Armstrong or Petro, but if they are not good enough to play, they really don't help much.

    Instead, the Rockets have been picky. That makes sense, and is probably the right way to go, but it does not make things any easier when the deals are made and they are left still trying to make one happen.


    Then again, they haven't made one of these deals because they like their roster. They do need that big man, but it's probably better to be in their situation than to have a team they don't like, but that gets mentioned in the transactions section in July.

    Still, it looks like everyone is having fun in there.

    • • •

    Sometimes, the deals are only exciting in July. A few years ago here, we were chasing around Mike James and his agent, with that free agency pursuit at the top of the Rockets' wish list.

    Many of the guys signed to all that fanfare in July become salary dumps the following summer.

    Which brings us to Hedo Turkoglu, one of the big catches last summer and a relative giveaway this summer.

    The Suns improved with their deals. Turkoglu will work well with Steve Nash, and provide a solid playmaker when Nash sits. Josh Childress gives them another top athlete to run the floor and defend. The Phoenix break, with Childress and Hakim Warrick, should remain at top speed. Overall, they made solid moves to remain relevant.

    They also locked themselves into long-term deals that won't make them contenders. Dramatically overpaying can improve the summer, but it does come back to bite, especially with a franchise that is careful about spending.

    • • •

    Allow me a brief mea culpa. In the previous blog entry, I mentioned that the Bobcats matched an offer sheet signed by Tyrus Thomas. They didn't. They signed him outright. The Nets did weigh making Thomas an offer, but the Bobcats wrapped him up on their own. Apologies.

    • • •

    As for the summer league and the great Jordan Hill experiment, draw no conclusions, yet. He is a guy that will always be better with better players because he can score off their playmaking. That was when he was at his best last season, and a reason bringing back Kyle Lowry is so important.

    Even before summer league began, Gersson Rosas said that whatever would happen would be considered just a part of the summer training. Whether he whipped these guys, disappeared or something in between (which has been the case), he will be measured not this month or in training camp, but during his second season when he gets the experience he needs.

    At this point, he needs time against true NBA big men.

    Now, the Rockets just need to get another one, as if they didn't know.
     
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  2. ASidd_1990

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    Basically what Feigan is saying is that we are the losers that can't get into the club because we have no hot girls with us while teams like the Heat, Jazz, Mavs and Boston are the jock or guidos that get access to every club in America? :(

    So sad, I guess we must come to reality that no big time free agent will ever play for us. :rolleyes:
     
  3. JayGoogle

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    That's what makes the Rockets better than these scrub teams.
     
  4. krnxsnoopy

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    Rockets are like the kid on the court anxiously waiting to get picked but no ones picking him. :(
     
  5. Old Man Rock

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    The problem isn't his offense it's his defense. Better players may compensate for his deficiencies but the hope was that he could compensate for some of theirs. Doesn't look like that is going to happen anytime soon. Dorsey was killing him and making him look like a boy on the boards.
     
  6. rockets934life

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    I rather look at it like we are the dude with the hot chick who is loyal and won't be going anywhere anytime soon while other teams are going after the sluts who will put out but might give you an STD over time. :grin:
     
  7. JayGoogle

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    I'd say the club ran out of hot girls a long time ago. What teams are doing now are making moves to make them and to get cap relief.

    Rockets need to go to another club, the one down the street with Granger, Paul, and Melo in it. Let these other scrub teams make moves to stay relevant while the Rockets make moves to become dominant.
     
  8. amaru

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    When do we walk home with our head hung low and our basketball tucked under our arm?
    :confused: :(
     
  9. ASidd_1990

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    True, but what if that hot girl, while loyal, is not that great in bed and is injury prone?
     
  10. Bandwagoner

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    I disagree. Just because we have not made deals does not mean we are picky. Morey is again just refusing deals that do not make our squad any better off. End of story.
     
  11. rockets934life

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    Well you can dump the hot girl in 12 months if she refuses to perform the tasks asked of her and start looking for the next loyal hot chick that will make your head spin and hope she doesn't break her foot... :grin:
     
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  12. engr_alex

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    so we managed to stack up on assets, but no one wants any of them. sigh.

    it seems to me that we are overvaluing our own players. hopefully, by the trade deadline, JJ's and battier's expiring contract would net us something. and that there are other gms out there who'd trade for hill despite him looking like a scrub.

    but like i said, making trades at the trade deadline means you probably wont go deep in the playoffs. bringing in new guys at that point in the season isnt the best move imho.
     
  13. JayGoogle

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    That's not even it.

    It's teams want TPE's and saving money than actual talent now.
     
  14. ASidd_1990

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    true, but what if you have no other girls to look at because they all were taken or decided to team up with the same dude for a 3 or 4 some?
     
  15. redao

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    We need to collect Landry type assets: flashy, athletic, good stats.
     
  16. rockets934life

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    Lots of Cinemax on the weekend... :confused:
     
  17. rocketschamp3

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    idk why but we have never gotten a good free agent although we are one of the most loyal fans. i dont get it!WE event send like millions of twitters to get bosh and he still went to the heat were he would always be the third guy the heat got. the third one mentioned. and in houston he could of been a bigger superstar.Here and China
     
  18. Yao4REAL

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    I trust Morey. For some of the deals that could have happened....Morey might have to give up pieces that he think it's essential for this team...maybe that's why the deal didn't go through...which is a good thing. I don't want to lose important pieces. Every single player on this team is important...!! ALMOST!
     
  19. The_Yoyo

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    hey he responded to my question
     
  20. Deuce

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    Or really Feigen?

    John Hollinger's response...

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=Chandler-100713

    Deal breakdown: Chandler to Mavs
    By John Hollinger
    ESPN.com


    I'd like to congratulate Michael Jordan on being the first executive in history to avoid saving money in a salary dump. Tyson Chandler and Alexis Ajinca have one year left at a combined $14.1 million, while Eduardo Najera and Matt Carroll are owed a combined $17.1 million over the next three years. Throw in cash (presumably the maximum allowable $3 million) from Dallas, and the Bobcats managed to break even while giving away their starting center for two guys who will occupy seats 11 and 12 at the end of the bench. Strike up the band.

    For those who haven't heard, Charlotte traded Chandler and Ajinca to Dallas on Tuesday for two of the deadest-weight contracts in the league (Najera and Carroll), cash and the nonguaranteed contract of Erick Dampier. I still have no idea why.

    If the Bobcats flip Dampier for something of greater value than Chandler, I'll take it all back, but it doesn't appear they're set to do that. Instead, they robbed Peter to pay Paul, cutting $8 million off the current year's payroll but taking it on in future years. Among other casualties, this deal basically kills whatever slim hope they had of getting under the cap in 2011.

    Coming on the heels of an equally jarring scheme to trade Chandler and Boris Diaw to Toronto for Jose Calderon, it's not clear whether "His Airness" and his hand-picked staff have a plan or, if so, what that plan might entail. I thought this kind of silliness in Charlotte would stop when Robert Johnson sold the team, but I guess not.

    As for Dallas, I thought it was a better deal than they've been given credit for. Look, we all want our team to hit a home run, but sometimes it's just as important to keep hitting singles.

    And for once, the Mavericks stopped swinging for the fences and made a sensible deal that greases the skids for others down the road. By trading Dampier's nonguaranteed contract, along with Carroll and Najera, to Charlotte for Chandler, the Mavs greatly improved their financial flexibility going forward and did little harm to their prospects in the short term.

    First, however, we have to discuss the alternative: Dallas could have gone for the home run and traded Dampier, along with two first-round picks, to Minnesota for Al Jefferson. This would have been a classic Mavs move, akin to recent trades for Jason Kidd, Caron Butler and Shawn Marion, but the pieces didn't fit. Jefferson and Dirk Nowitzki would have been terrible partners on the defensive end, and offensively Jefferson was never going to get the rock enough in the post with all the scoring-minded players around him.

    What Dallas really needs to vault itself to elite status is a first-rate perimeter player; at the moment, the Mavs man those positions with several 30-something former stars but no current ones. With none available to be had with the Dampier contract, they did the next best thing.

    By adding Chandler, the Mavs retain the rights to a top defensive center. Additionally, he has a $12 million expiring contract, which gives the Mavs maximum flexibility to pursue other trades during the course of the season. No, it isn't quite as alluring as being able to waive Dampier and clean the books entirely, but it's a useful asset.

    Additionally, two other factors have been underrated. First, dumping Carroll and Najera helps the Mavs' flexibility going forward by subtracting $6.5 million in dead weight from the 2011-12 payroll. If somehow things go off the rails this year, Dallas could very easily get itself well under the cap next summer -- words that have been rarely spoken around Big D in the Mark Cuban era.

    Second, the Mavs walk away with two trade exceptions worth a combined $6.4 million -- enough to land a fairly good player if the right deal comes along.

    So it's not the Pau Gasol trade. But it's something. The Mavs have a top-notch defensive frontcourt with Chandler and Brendan Haywood, and they've left open a number of options for pursuing roster upgrades during the course of the season.
     

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