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[Chron] Rockets confident deal will be reached with Hayes

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by ron413, Jul 7, 2007.

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Yep, one of the best per minute rebounders in the NBA, and that playing on a team with close to the lowest possession rate in the league.
All you guys that are not Chuck Hayes believers are gonna have to eat it again next year when he ups his stats even more playing in Adelman's uptempo game that will benefit him because of his mobility and ability to get up and down the court quickly. It would not surprise me one bit if Hayes was able to average 10 reb/game in about 25 minutes per game under Adelman.
Pros and Cons of Hayes on an Adelman coached team
PROS
1. He is a very good rebounder and outlet passer. Adelman will love him for his ability to get the board and get the ball out quickly. He will be very instrumental in starting our new fast break.
2. He's a great passer in the half court, really sees the floor well.
3. He is very fast, he will make a great option running the break and will beat his man down the floor possession after possession.
4. He is still our best post up defender and one of the strongest players on our team, and will be at WORST the 2nd best post up defender depending on who we trade for. He very well may still be the best post up defender after trades/signings.
5. He has very quick hands for steals and slapping ball away from his opponent.
6. He's a great garbage man, doesn't need the ball to be productive.
7. He works his tail off and dives on the floor for any loose balls.
8. Great attitude.
9. Great offensive rebounder, which will be magnified with more possessions and uptempo fast breaks.
10. His bball iq is off the charts. He will pick up what Adelman is doing with the offense in a hurry and make it work very well.
11. He has a very good handle. Do not be surprised if Adelman exploits his size by letting him dribble the ball up after he boards when some behemoth is chasing him around, to help us further speed up the play. He has one of the best handles for any PF (some of that is due to the fact he is short, which is a plus when you are handling the basketball)
12. Did I mention he's one of the best rebounders in the NBA.

CONS:
1. HE's SHORT!
Deal with it baby.
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jopatmc - we are on the same page. I have a feeling that he will show the most significant progress of all players under Adelman. His ability to move without the ball and find gaps in defense will be utilized more than last year.

#21 studogg, Jul 7, 2007

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I'm a definite Chuck"ster" as well, but there's a reason he can't guard Boozer or "the Big Fundamental." It's his size.

Chuck will be a GREAT rotation guy, but he does not belong in the starting lineup for a contending team, and for Morey or Les to look at this as anything less (sorry for the pun) right now, would be a crime indeed.

I fear greatly they are trying to find the cheapest trade option, narrowing our payroll by sending off Luther and probably JL3, (maybe even Rafer ), for someone who's basically only a "serviceable" larger version of Chuck.

Our next Starting PF needs to be someone with potential to be at least 2nd or 3rd team Defense All NBA, otherwise, what's the point?

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Forget short ranged jumpers! HE NEEDS TO DUNK DUNK and DUNK!!! if he does that consistently then he is easily a starting PF in my book!
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Yep, but then agin, he just ain't tall enough to reach the rim.

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good article

#24 rnbni99a, Jul 7, 2007
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Before the All-Star Break Landry will have moved in front of Hayes. Bank it!

#25 BEXCELANT, Jul 7, 2007
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I'm a definite Chuck"ster" as well, but there's a reason he can't guard Boozer or "the Big Fundamental." It's his size.

Chuck will be a GREAT rotation guy, but he does not belong in the starting lineup for a contending team, and for Morey or Les to look at this as anything less (sorry for the pun) right now, would be a crime indeed.

I fear greatly they are trying to find the cheapest trade option, narrowing our payroll by sending off Luther and probably JL3, (maybe even Rafer ), for someone who's basically only a "serviceable" larger version of Chuck.

Our next Starting PF needs to be someone with potential to be at least 2nd or 3rd team Defense All NBA, otherwise, what's the point?
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It doesn't matter who starts. What matters is who plays and who finishes.

By the way, barring a major trade going down for Artest or Camby, we are not going to find a more efficient option than Hayes. We may find another good complementary PF to play alongside Yao and with Hayes, but we won't find a PF that does everything Chuck does and they gives us more offense or more defense. We may find a PF with a very effective offensive skillset or with more size or athleticism, but barring a major trade for Artest or Camby, they will not replace Hayes. He will still get 20+ minutes per night.

Really, the truth is that we need another 4 to replace Juwan's minutes and gives us an upgrade over Juwan, not Chuck. Juwan was the weak link, not Chuck. And the absolute worst part about Juwan's game is he couldn't play alongside Yao. Chuck is going to get his minutes and be effective, it really doesn't matter who he is playing with, he's gonna ball. Of course, we may get lucky and wind up with an upgrade to both Juwan and Chuck in the form of an Artest or Camby, but even if we get one of those guys, Chuck is still gonna get his 20+ minutes per night and be effective. He is a very solid rotation player.

By the way, Chuck is our best defender against Boozer and Duncan. And probably only Camby or Artest would be a significant upgrade defensively over Hayes when defending those type of post up 4s.

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Rockets-R-Us said:

I'm a definite Chuck"ster" as well, but there's a reason he can't guard Boozer or "the Big Fundamental." It's his size.
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chuck guarded boozer pretty well, in the beginning of the series, but than he was making crazy high-arch fadeaways that he would make against yao. in the west, even duncan can't guard garnett, or viceversa. but, chuck have been pretty good on several great pfs, like jermaine o'neal.

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I fear greatly they are trying to find the cheapest trade option, narrowing our payroll by sending off Luther and probably JL3, (maybe even Rafer ), for someone who's basically only a "serviceable" larger version of Chuck.
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They already have that guy - they drafted him in the second round. Goes by the name of Landry.

Our next Starting PF needs to be someone with potential to be at least 2nd or 3rd team Defense All NBA, otherwise, what's the point?
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There IS no point. Never was. You guys are being played by Les & Morey. I see thread after thread here of potential possibilities where we ship out or exchange our inferior players for a player of substance that will vault this team into the role of legitimate contender. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but that just ain't gonna happen. There are no Carroll Dawsons out there waiting to bail us out of this one. Nope, we'll just have to wait for this situation to run its course which I predict will happen in the next 2-3 years.

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jopatmc said:

Yep, one of the best per minute rebounders in the NBA, and that playing on a team with close to the lowest possession rate in the league.

All you guys that are not Chuck Hayes believers are gonna have to eat it again next year when he ups his stats even more playing in Adelman's uptempo game that will benefit him because of his mobility and ability to get up and down the court quickly. It would not surprise me one bit if Hayes was able to average 10 reb/game in about 25 minutes per game under Adelman.

Pros and Cons of Hayes on an Adelman coached team

PROS
1. He is a very good rebounder and outlet passer. Adelman will love him for his ability to get the board and get the ball out quickly. He will be very instrumental in starting our new fast break.

2. He's a great passer in the half court, really sees the floor well.

3. He is very fast, he will make a great option running the break and will beat his man down the floor possession after possession.

4. He is still our best post up defender and one of the strongest players on our team, and will be at WORST the 2nd best post up defender depending on who we trade for. He very well may still be the best post up defender after trades/signings.

5. He has very quick hands for steals and slapping ball away from his opponent.

6. He's a great garbage man, doesn't need the ball to be productive.

7. He works his tail off and dives on the floor for any loose balls.

8. Great attitude.

9. Great offensive rebounder, which will be magnified with more possessions and uptempo fast breaks.

10. His bball iq is off the charts. He will pick up what Adelman is doing with the offense in a hurry and make it work very well.

11. He has a very good handle. Do not be surprised if Adelman exploits his size by letting him dribble the ball up after he boards when some behemoth is chasing him around, to help us further speed up the play. He has one of the best handles for any PF (some of that is due to the fact he is short, which is a plus when you are handling the basketball)

12. Did I mention he's one of the best rebounders in the NBA.

CONS:
1. HE's SHORT!

Deal with it baby.
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Agree with everthing you said accept you left out in the Cons: part that he is the rockets most offensively challenged player. Love his rebounding and defense, but I would really like to see a long athletic weakside shotblocker alongside Yao in the starting lineup that has a descent to OK mid-range jumper.

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Agree with everthing you said accept you left out in the Cons: part that he is the rockets most offensively challenged player. Love his rebounding and defense, but I would really like to see a long athletic weakside shotblocker alongside Yao in the starting lineup that has a descent to OK mid-range jumper.
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The Rockets most offensively challenged player is Rafer, not Chuck.

#30 jopatmc, Jul 7, 2007
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If Morey can't even sign Hayes without hang ups, it's going to be an ugly reign.

#31 luckystrikes, Jul 7, 2007
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Might put an abrupt end to money ball.
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Would be that be a bad thing?

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He won't go nowhere. The Chinese shoe contract binds him here- or precisely, beside Yao.

#33 carnition, Jul 7, 2007

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Hayes and Rocks close to a deal

Didn't see this already posted, lock if it is.

I am glad to see Hayes might return to us.<a href="/nba/rumors/post/Rockets-talking-with-Hayes-Mutombo?urn=nba,38627">Rockets talking with Hayes, Mutombo</a></h4>
<p class="date">Monday, Jul 9, 2007 12:38 pm EDT</p>

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<div class="small"><img src="http://f3.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_rumors__12/ept_sports_rumors-99583509-1183999059.jpg?ymUh_x9CWCacIW6B" alt="Chuck Hayes" border="0" height="160" hspace="0" vspace="0" width="160"><p class="credit">Getty Images</p></div><p>While the <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/hou/">Houston Rockets</a> have made little progress in chasing a new power forward in free agency, they moved Friday toward keeping last season's starter, <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4023/">Chuck Hayes</a>. </p><p>Rockets general manager Daryl Morey and player agent Calvin Andrews, who represents Hayes, said after their initial meeting that they were confident that an agreement would be reached for Hayes to return.</p>Morey has also had talks with David Falk about re-signing Rockets center <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/425/">Dikembe Mutombo</a>, who has made it clear he wants to return to the Rockets for one more season. <p class="source">Source:
<span class="source-link"><a href="http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/bk/bkn/4949787.html">Houston Chronicle</a><a target="_blank" href="http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/bk/bkn/4949787.html"><img src="http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/nt/ic/ut/bsc/newwin12_1.gif" alt="" border="0" height="12" hspace="0" vspace="0" width="12"></a></span> </p>

<p class="related">Related:
<a href="/nba/rumors/players/Chuck+Hayes/nba.p.4023">Chuck Hayes</a>, <a href="/nba/rumors/players/Dikembe+Mutombo/nba.p.425">Dikembe Mutombo</a>, <a href="/nba/rumors/teams/Houston+Rockets/nba.t.10">Houston Rockets</a>

#34 Pizza_Da_Hut, Jul 9, 2007
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I Like him as a backup & a high energy guy. Good to see Deke still gunnin'

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Sweet!

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I Like him as a backup & a high energy guy. Good to see Deke still gunnin'
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Whoopee Now we got a foul prone 6'6" pf that can't shoot and wouldn't start for anyone else in the West. Can't wait!!!!

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Whoopee Now we got a foul prone 6'6" pf that can't shoot and wouldn't start for anyone else in the West. Can't wait!!!!
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Which is why I said I like him as a backup...

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I'm glad to keep him, I just hope the contract is reasonable and we're not paying him stupid money. 2 years guaranteed for 6 mil with a team option for the 3rd year... that's about it

#39 RocketsFan11, Jul 9, 2007
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that's good news to me. the chuck wagon is a good guy for our team to have. but yes, as a back-up.

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