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Christians please wake up and open your eyes

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Nivos, Jul 30, 2014.

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  1. Dubious

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    As far as I know all the tyrannies of the 20th Century have only posed as humanistic ideologies as a cover for absolute non-democratic power by cults of personality. There are some quite successful experiments in democratic socialism that are peaceful. You couldn't really call Stalin or Mao humanists.

    True religion is not a problem though, it's the fact that the human lust for power and capacity for subversion always diverts religions of peace and uses them to define economic adversaries. There are very few people that actually follow the tenets of Jesus or Muhammed.
    You would never see a true believer engaged in violence. acts of greed, or acts of exclusion.
     
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    You have a rather optimistic view of Muhammed. He wasn't exactly the hipster Jesus was.
     
  3. Dubious

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    yeah, I don't know much about it and don't care to learn
     
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    I didn't realize Atheism had a sacred text that could be interpreted to spread Atheism and kill all non-Atheists.

    This is the end result of any D&D topic about religion or guns. Don't blame the tools, blame the people and then nothing gets accomplished in any thread because its such a ****ing cop out answer. Its like some of you have just given up and are latching on for selfish reasons. I seriously doubt some of you would give up religion and guns in your lives even if there was some hypothetical evidence to say that religion and guns are outright problems in society and the removal of both would benefit mankind.

    Maybe guns don't apply here and I'm not even for banning guns, but the difference between Atheists and the Religious are that we'd convert IMMEDIATELY if God were proven to exist with empirical evidence. I cannot say religious people would do the same if somehow God was debunked. As of yet even if God were to exist, at least in my case, I wouldn't start mass congregating and indulging myself in cult-like religious fanatic behavior. Even if I were religious, it would be something I kept entirely to myself and for myself.

    This is just a random rant. No Atheists are not just hatas, I just think the concept of blind faith is unbelievably stupid.
     
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    I'm not even that religious and don't own a gun.

    I just think religion is often a tool for good. In any case, people are freely choosing to be religious in large numbers so you can't do anything about it.

    I agree with you that nothing gets solved which is why I didn't want the thread detailed into the same old thing.

    Yet here we are.
     
  6. RedRedemption

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    Well, I mean the title of the thread is a call to action for Christians to band together against Islamic radicals, religion is inevitably going to be the main focal point.
    And yes even though religion may have good uses, it can easily be abused and its proven it can control a hell of a lot of uninformed and ignorant people that blindly subscribe to fraudulent religious interpretations.

    Unfortunately you are right. Removing religion won't do **** because nationalism will come into play if there were no nations, it would be ethnocentrism. If everyone were one race, there would be still be regionalism. People continue to find a way to segregate others. Human nature sucks.
     
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    I love this post.
     
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    guys I don't think I explained myself properly, although I like where this conversation was going, it is interesting to me.
    In my experience even the hardest atheist turn to god in time of hardship but that's not relevant, because you can't force your opinions or believes on others, and that is my point.

    Now I have to be careful in what I am going to say because its not against Islam as a religion at all and not against Muslims, just against the ones that are trying to force their believes on others, and there are more and more of them popping out, in the Arab world as well as in Europe and Africa.

    I called Christians because of the horrific choices they have to make in Syria, Iraq and Africa- abandon their believes- Or die.
    If someone come to you with a sword and say- become a Muslim- or die. What would you choose? Probably life.
    If someone come to you and say- Put a sheet to cover your wife- or die.
    What you do do? Probably put a sheet over her head.
    If someone comes to you and say- I will take your 9 year old daughter to marry, she will be part of my 9 wives, I'll put a sheet over hear head, beat her when I feel like it, rape her at will and you will have do the same to other 9 year old girls- or die.
    Now the people that have the sword over their neck can't really refuse, so at what point is it our responsibility to protect their right to believe?

    This is my worry, I am not sure if protect by force is the right solution, maybe reasoning with them will help? Maybe tell them there is no god and it is foolish what they are doing in the name of their god, maybe you're brave enough to tell them that in their face, I will rather have a gun pointed at them and tell them to stop.

    But hey, I am the crazy one here so go on with reasoning, see where that'll get you
     

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