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Chicago Tribune (1998): Jordan-Hakeem on same team

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DavidS, Jun 13, 2004.

  1. DavidS

    DavidS Contributing Member

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    In light of the Jordan/Kobe comparisons and the "What if Jordan and Shaq where on the same team" questions, I find this old article nudges one to ask some of the same questions regarding a Jordan-Hakeem duo. It's kinda interesting... :)

    Here's a Chicago Tribune article from 1998....

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    Life with Michael
    Houston just missed dynasty


    By Sam Smith

    Tribune Pro Basketball Writer
    June 11, 1998

    Forget the sixth championship.

    Michael Jordan should be going for an eighth or
    ninth title by now. He should be challenging
    the records of Bill Russell's Boston Celtics.

    He should be part of the greatest one-two punch
    in NBA history . . .with Hakeem Olajuwon.

    That was the real mistake of the 1984 draft. It has long
    been hung on the Portland Trail Blazers for selecting
    Sam Bowie with the No. 2 pick instead of Jordan.

    "He (Jordan) was good," Jack Ramsay, the then-Portland
    coach recalled in a rather obvious description. "I saw
    him on that (1984) Olympic team. My Portland team, our
    rookies and free agents, scrimmaged against them.
    Everybody says now they `Oh, yeah,' but I'll tell you
    no one predicted this."

    No one predicted Jordan would become arguably the
    greatest player in NBA history. A shooting guard
    carrying a team to the NBA title had never happened
    before and was never even imagined--especially by the
    Bulls.

    "Michael is a very good offensive player but not an
    overpowering one," Rod Thorn, then the Bulls' GM,
    said after drafting Jordan. "He's not the kind of guy
    who will singlehandedly turn around a franchise, and I'd
    never ask him to do that."

    Which may have been the best break the Bulls ever had.
    Because if the Rockets had an idea--if anyone had--some
    things would not have been the same. Kids would be
    wearing Rockets jerseys, and Al Capone would still be
    Chicago's most famous citizen.

    The 1984 season was the last in which the NBA used a coin
    flip between the worst Eastern and Western Conference teams to
    determine the No. 1 draft pick. The lottery began in
    1985 to do away with the longstanding practice of
    teams tanking games down the stretch to improve their
    draft position or get a shot at the coin flip.

    The Rockets, who had taken star center Ralph Sampson
    first in 1983, lost 17 of their last 20 to settle into
    the worst record in the West.

    The Pacers, who had traded their 1984 No. 1 pick to
    Portland several years before for center Tom Owens,
    held off the Bulls, who lost 14 of their last 15. Had the
    Pacers not made the trade, they would have been in
    position to pick Jordan. And they would not have taken
    Bowie at No. 2. Portland did, for reasons that have
    been explained many times.

    The Blazers had drafted guard Clyde Drexler the year
    before. He was nearly as highly regarded as Jordan in
    college, and veteran shooting guard Jim Paxson
    was All-NBA Second Team that season.

    "You thought (Jordan) was going to be a good player,"
    Ramsay said, "but we were good at `two' guard. Our
    scouts thought highly of Bowie. We gave him a
    physical exam. The doctors said he was fine, but that
    turned out not to be the case."

    Bowie's legs simply failed him. Although he went on to
    have a reasonably productive NBA career with several
    teams, he was never more than a solid role player.

    If Hakeem (then Akeem) Olajuwon was the certain No.
    1 pick coming out of the University of Houston after
    three Final Four appearances, the other given
    was Portland's desire for a center. The Blazers were a
    playoff team, but hadn't been in serious contention
    since Bill Walton's injuries ended the run of Portland's
    1977 championship team.

    "Jack Ramsay did what he had to do for his team," said
    Bill Fitch, who was then coaching the Rockets. "Sam
    Bowie was a special player. I never saw a center pass
    the ball any better than Sam."

    Another possibility, however, was Sampson, the
    1984 Rookie of the Year who averaged more than 20 points
    his first two seasons. What if Houston had selected
    Olajuwon with the No. 1 pick and then traded Sampson for
    the No. 2 pick and used it to select Jordan? The
    Rockets would have had the best inside and outside
    players of their era.

    "We had to have a center," Ramsay said. "We would have
    done that."

    If only people had thought Jordan was better.

    "There was a time when we felt there was a chance to
    make a trade with Chicago with Sampson for Jordan,"
    Fitch said. "But nothing was ever done."

    That was after the 1985-86 season. The thinking then
    was it might be too one-sided a deal--for the Rockets.

    Sampson was 7 feet 4 inches and a star who'd help lead
    the Rockets to the Finals in 1986, where they lost in six
    games to one of the great Celtics teams. The belief
    was Houston would succeed Boston and the Lakers as the
    NBA's powerhouse.

    "Ralph was a big commodity," Fitch recalled, "and Jordan
    really hadn't come into his own."

    Even with Jordan the Bulls were at best a .500 team.
    Jordan had helped the Bulls recover at the box office,
    but the belief was that teams needed a center to win
    an NBA championship.

    Who could have blamed the Bulls for considering a
    chance to trade for Sampson, an All-Star?

    In fact, there had been serious Bowie-or-Jordan
    discussions within the Bulls' staff before the 1984
    draft. Thorn was always committed to Jordan even
    though several members of the coaching staff pleaded
    for a center.

    Now, had Bowie been healthy. . .

    "We had just drafted Ronnie Lester (a Chicago native
    from Iowa) despite a history of injuries, and Ronnie
    never worked out," Thorn recalled. "Now Bowie was
    coming off a leg injury at Kentucky, so we wouldn't
    have wanted to take a chance again."

    If the Bulls had had the first pick, "we would have
    taken Olajuwon," Thorn said. "At the time the prevailing
    thinking was 6-6 guys are limited in how good they can
    be. We felt Michael was an extraordinary athlete who at
    worst would be a very good NBA player and at best would
    be an All-Star player. If Jordan had not been
    available, we would not have taken Bowie. We probably
    would have taken (Sam) Perkins over (Charles)
    Barkley. I thought Charles was too short to play power
    forward."

    So did the Philadelphia 76ers, but they knew Barkley
    was good. They believed Jordan was even better and
    pursued him aggressively.

    North Carolina coach Dean Smith had sought out the
    76ers when canvassing the NBA about whether Jordan
    should turn pro after his junior season. It was a
    regular practice of Smith's regarding his underclassmen,
    and the 76ers' coach was Billy Cunningham, a former
    Tar Heel.

    The Sixers had the Clippers' pick from a previous trade
    for World B. Free, and it appeared they might end up
    with the top pick. But the Clippers won an improbable
    game the last weekend of the season to finish with one
    more victory than Houston and the pick fell to No. 5.

    Cunningham, coming off a championship the year
    before, believed Jordan could step in for a fading
    Julius Erving and assured Smith the 76ers would select
    Jordan. When their pick fell to No. 5, the Sixers tried
    to trade for the No. 3 pick to take Jordan, offering
    their No. 5 and No. 10 picks and Andrew Toney. But the
    Bulls decided to stick with Jordan if they weren't going
    to get Olajuwon.

    The 76ers knew, because Smith knew.

    "I remember him saying to me, `It must be tough
    passing up the surest-fire All-Star ever to come into
    the game,' " Fitch recalled of his predraft conversation
    with Dean Smith. "He knew then. People knock him as
    the only one who could hold Jordan to fewer than 20
    points a game, but his system had a lot to do with
    him becoming the player he did."

    - Chicago Tribune Copyright 1998
     
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    So sadly true. W - h - a - t i - f ???
     
  3. Behad

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    Then to complete the "what if"....in 1983, we draft Drexler instead of Rodney McCray, and in 1985 we draft Terry Porter instead of Steve Harris

    Porter
    Jordan
    Drexler
    PF
    Olajuwon

    :eek: :eek:
     
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    PF: Jim Peterson
     
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    Hell! Even Behad could play PF on that team!!! :D


    ...j/k Behad! ;)
     
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    HEY! :mad: :eek: :p


    I can't believe I forgot about Jim Peterson.
     
  7. KingCheetah

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    Well if we're going to do all that we might as well work some more magic and nab Barkley as our PF. ;)

    Porter
    Jordan
    Drexler
    Barkley
    Olajuwon

    Looks good to me except PG we should probably upgrade there.
     
  8. Behad

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    I know you are just kidding, but Porter would have been the perfect PG for this team. He was a great distributor in his prime and a good 3 point shooter throughout his career.
     
  9. AntiSonic

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    There's no guarantee that either Jordan or Olajuwon would have developed into the players they did while playing on the same team, let alone both of them still doing it.

    Looks nice on paper, but oh well. The Rockets still got two more championships than all but a handful of teams in the nineties.
     
  10. OddsOn

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    The Rockets got two more championships than most teams in the NBA and are only one of a handfull to repeat the following year; I believe the others are Lakers, Celtics, Bulls and Pistons...
     
  11. smoothie

    smoothie Jabari Jungle

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    as far as all time championships go we are about to fall behind the pistons...

    i think its:

    celtics ?? a lot :)
    lakers ?? a lot :mad:
    bulls 6
    pistons 3
    rockets 2
    spurs 2
    knicks 2

    is that correct assuming the pistons win? we need to win two more just to get ahead of them!
     
  12. NJRocket

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    blah blah blah....and if the Jets could do it over again they would have had Dan Marino instead of Ken OBrien, Jerry Rice instead of Al Toon and Emmitt Smith instead of Blair Thomas.
     
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    this is all pointless ... but stupid in a fun way ...

    it could have been even better:

    In '83, if we had traded the #3 pick to one in '84, we could have taken Barkley or Stockton.

    In '84, Portland offered us the #2 AND Drexler for Sampson.

    In '85, instead of taking Steve Harris, we could have taken Terry Porter or AC Green.

    In '86, we could have taken Sabonis, Hornacek or Rodman instead of Johnson.

    (At first, I thought we should never have traded Moses Malone away, but when I checked up on the trade, we received the first round pick we used for Sampson in the deal, and without that, we never would have been able to get Jordan/Drexler. But, it would have been interesting if we'd have kept Malone and picked Drexler instead of McCrae, and ended up with Malone/Dream/Drexler/Loyd/Lucas. We'd have won a few championships then, too, until different guys got too stoned.)

    <a href="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/news/2001/08/02/sayitaintso_rockets/">more interesting reading on all this ... </a>

    So, in '84, we could have had:

    Dream/Jones
    Barkley/Hayes
    Drexler/Reid
    Jordan/Loyd/Wiggins
    Lucas/Ford/Ehlo

    Yep, one of the greatest teams ever assembled ...
     
    #13 Sherlock, Jun 14, 2004
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  14. JoeBarelyCares

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    Didn't Hakeem say in his book that the offer from Portland was the #2 plus Drexler for Sampson?
     
  15. GreenVegan76

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    I wouldn't be surprised. It's easy to forget how dominating Sampson was. He was the league's first great finesse center, and he was charted for greatness. He could have turned in a (shorter) Kareem-type career.

    It didn't work out, of course, but fans would have been furious if the Rockets traded Sampson for a draft pick. I know it's a GM's job to see beyond fan interest, but I doubt there was anybody in the league would have made that trade then.

    Still, the idea of teaming MJ and Hakeem is fun to think about. Talk. About. Fireworks.
     

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