1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Check out this tweet from Stein...

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Rockets_12, Jan 8, 2016.

Tags:
  1. CCity Zero

    CCity Zero Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2014
    Messages:
    7,275
    Likes Received:
    3,513
    Exactly, Dwight being able to walk/in contract year basically closes any chance of this, haha definitely good trade for rockets though...
     
  2. MtthwPnngbtn

    MtthwPnngbtn Member

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2014
    Messages:
    180
    Likes Received:
    7
    I actually would be sad to see Ariza go...Yeah the guy bricks 3s and ****, but his defense is nice and I think he meshes well (personality wise).

    I remember this one time where mozgov pushed or did something to Harden and Ariza stook up for James, which says a lot about Ariza's character.
     
  3. dmorey

    dmorey Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2015
    Messages:
    210
    Likes Received:
    11
    **** the universe
     
  4. conquistador#11

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2006
    Messages:
    36,136
    Likes Received:
    22,651
    you a cleveland fan? :p


    would love to see our defense with kevin in the lineup. scary.
     
  5. WestendMassive

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2003
    Messages:
    17,233
    Likes Received:
    34,144
    Since when did we start acknowledging what Mark Stein says is fact?

    The dude is just making stuff up because he was asked a question.

    I seriously doubt he actually has any source that's told him Ariza is on the block.

    That said, it wouldn't surprise me if Morey was open to offers. Everyone is replaceable, and none of the Rockets play like they actually like each other anyway, so why not trade them all?
     
  6. Rio Rocket

    Rio Rocket Member

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2015
    Messages:
    376
    Likes Received:
    16
    i consider it cheating for a professional scooper to speak in statements like this that cant possibly be invalidated no matter how things play out. i think professional scoopers know its a grey area to use this kind of trick. at the least they know it diminishes the value of their scoop claim. so they would be careful to steer clear when they have a real scoop. therefore this is probably not a real scoop. he is either just guessing or it is based it on extremely flimsy information.
     
  7. fadeaway

    fadeaway Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2000
    Messages:
    14,545
    Likes Received:
    1,086
    League City Can't Behad.
     
  8. BHannes2BHonest

    BHannes2BHonest 2 SOLID FOR WEIRD AZZES

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2010
    Messages:
    3,140
    Likes Received:
    5,640
    Yea true. We should go ALL offense!! Lose 160-150 :p

    But seriously Ariza is truly our only glue guy and the only guy who brings toughness to the team.
     
  9. RedRedemption

    RedRedemption Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2009
    Messages:
    32,471
    Likes Received:
    7,652
    At least the games would be exciting. Not only do we lose, we lose in the most frustrating and boring fashion.
     
  10. J.R.

    J.R. Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2008
    Messages:
    107,615
    Likes Received:
    156,664
    Glue guys, schmue guys...

    What good is a glue guy when they suck defensively and an opponent's player is going off for a season/career high? For having "3 elite defenders", Rockets defense sure does suck.

    And "gotta keep Trevor for James!" ... maybe James will learn to play defense again and be accountable for his man.
     
  11. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 1999
    Messages:
    36,288
    Likes Received:
    26,639
    Do you disagree with the tweet? In essence, most every player in the NBA can be 'had'. Ariza is one of them.
     
  12. BHannes2BHonest

    BHannes2BHonest 2 SOLID FOR WEIRD AZZES

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2010
    Messages:
    3,140
    Likes Received:
    5,640
    Was Battier a schmue guy? :grin:

    Trevor hasn't regressed that much but you are right James def needs to step it up on defense. Not saying ariza is irreplaceable but I would not want to see 40 minutes of another SF next to James or worse... 40 minutes of James guarding the best wing player on opposing teams.
     
  13. slickricky

    slickricky Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2005
    Messages:
    845
    Likes Received:
    58
    Very interesting idea...

    I would only do it though if they threw in a pick

    What does smiths contract look like???

    I remember hearing that Mozgov came off the books after this season

    If smith and Mozgov came off the books and we could throw Durant the max I would do it

    Hire Thibs

    2016-2017
    Capela
    Love
    Durant
    Harden
    Beverly
     
  14. oakdogg

    oakdogg Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Dec 12, 1999
    Messages:
    3,112
    Likes Received:
    253
    JBB was the real voice the last couple of years??? Then why the hell wasn't he fired along with McHale?!!! It was his defensive genius that got us all the way to 29th or whatever in defense at that time. I guess Les doesn't buy into the common knowledge that past performance is the biggest indicator of future performance. Maybe we just need to put JBB's dad on the staff to hold his hand, since we know his dad is the only reason he has a career.

    Chris Finch is being groomed to be a head coach??? Is that the reason the offensive genius has done absolute squat with one of the top offensive PG's who just completely fell in his lap??? Very impressive.

    This site makes excuses for EVERYbody - players and coaches - except the one player who actually does well at all (and maybe Brewer at this point). The bottom line is Ariza is worse on offense than Harden ever is on defense, and Ariza's defense does not compensate for that.
     
    1 person likes this.
  15. PolarBear

    PolarBear Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2002
    Messages:
    407
    Likes Received:
    216
    Mosgov's contract expires this year. JR Smith has a player option for $5M next year, which he is likely to decline.

    I don't see the Cavs doing this deal, but I'd do it in a heartbeat.
     
  16. txppratt

    txppratt Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2006
    Messages:
    2,984
    Likes Received:
    296
    i like ariza, good dude - but no problem moving him if we are going to take 1 step back (in order to take two steps forward)
     
  17. finsraider

    finsraider Member

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2010
    Messages:
    6,924
    Likes Received:
    4,984
    Here's the positives for the Cavs....

    1) Thornton costs 20% of what Smith does and provides the exact same skills.

    2) upgrade the mobility of your center. This is a big deal against a team like golden state, as we saw last year.

    3) Ariza is a massive upgrade for them. A closing time lineup of Kyrie, Shumpert, Ariza, Lebron, and Dwight absolutely gives them a chance.

    Meanwhile, Love is unplayable in the 4th because he doesn't have an elite, mobile center to play with.

    I think it's a trade that makes sense for both teams. Remember it's not about whether the Cavs can run roughshod over the East....they need to beat SAS or GSW. They can't do that with their current lineup.
     
  18. aelliott

    aelliott Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 1999
    Messages:
    5,581
    Likes Received:
    4,185
    This season Ariza hasn't been good on either side of the ball.

    Offensively, he was never much more than a stationary 3 point shooter but that works in our offense. Unfortunately, this season, he hasn't shot the ball up to his normal standards.

    For whatever reason, Ariza hasn't been nearly as effective on the defensive end this season.

    This seaon our opponents eFG% is 3.7% higher when Ariza is on the floor than when he's off. Last season, our opponents eFG% was 0.4% lower when Ariza was on the floor than when he was off.

    So far this season our opponents eFG% is 2 points higher when Harden is on the floor than when he's off. You can't really attribute Ariza's falloff to Harden's defense since Ariza's number is almost twice as bad as Harden's. Ariza's obviously still having defensive issues even when Harden isn't on the floor.

    This season Ariza has gone from being a 3&D guy to just being a guy. We really need for him to get back to his normal level on at least one side of the ball.
     
  19. Mkieke

    Mkieke Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2010
    Messages:
    1,606
    Likes Received:
    736
    While I agree Ariza was a HUGE reason for our 2014/15 success, he's taken fairly large steps back on Defense & 3PT Shooting, IMO. Still one of leaders in steals, but he's getting beat my his man more often than in the past.
     
  20. D-rock

    D-rock Member

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2006
    Messages:
    40,743
    Likes Received:
    64,228
    Ariza also plays an insane amount of minutes and unlike Harden, gives 100% on both ends of the court. And this season he's the only guy making any effort on D. He could be nicked up or just plain wore out.

    But as much as I like him, a trade might be best for all parties.
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now