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Charles Ramsey: American Hero

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  1. Mr.Scarface

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    They both were there....the other guy couldn't communicate with the girl, so Charles took the lead.
     
  2. Commodore

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    Ramsey is a convicted wife beater

    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/cleveland-hero-charles-ramsey-8702415

     
  3. justtxyank

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    Exactly. I was kind of waiting for this sad shoe to drop.

    There was something a little sobering about his weird kind of respect for his neighbor and his huge testicles or whatever...

    LOL @ McDonald's saying they would be in touch though. I guess you could say... I'm lovin' it.
     
  5. Rocket River

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    It's really weird that this guy is getting all the attention in this case and not the girls themselves. Says a lot about our culture and how much we've been desensitized to stories like this.

    The good thing is that these girls (and their families) probably appreciate him deflecting all the attention away from them, as I'm sure they need their privacy so they can heal.
     
  7. updawg

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    Lauren Hill is not pleased.
     
  10. updawg

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    I thought the same thing. I figured he had warrants or something
     
  11. AroundTheWorld

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    I called it first :grin:.
     
  12. Honey Bear

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    That's exactly what crossed my mind. This guy is just anotha brotha hanging around with nothing else to do, who opened a door when he heard a loud scream. Woop De Doo. Street hustlers normally are articulate and animated. H
    Not saying he's a bad guy or not worthy of a hero label, but to see where all the mainstream attention goes says alot about the US/UK media. The internet generation experience everything through a monitor, so you can see why they need to make a gimmick out of everything.

    I'm sure the girls will want to change their names and maybe location. But you have to be really strong to persevere in that situation for 10 years, so maybe not.
     
  13. Surfguy

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    "Can I at least get a McDonald's gift certificate, bro?"
     
  14. SK34

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    Why does it matter? That was 10 years ago. He did time and he learned from it.
     
  16. SK34

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    Its about cajones Lol
     
  17. updawg

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    Well it's a pretty ****ty thing. But yeah, you are who you are today and going forward.

    I think some of the attraction with him is that he gives a little relief from dealing with such a horrific crime. If that makes any sense

    Having a 4 year old daughter, this stuff scares the **** out of me
     
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    I thought this was an interesting article considering how much flak the 911 operator
    has been getting.

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/20...he_emergency_dispatchers_who_handled_the.html

    In Praise of the Emergency Dispatchers Who Handled the Amanda Berry 911 Calls

    On Monday afternoon, after escaping from the house where she and two other women had apparently been held captive, a frantic Amanda Berry called 911. “I've been kidnapped. And I've been missing for 10 years. And I'm here. I'm free now,” she told the dispatcher. The dispatcher didn’t respond with the excitement or sympathy that Berry might have been expecting. Instead, she questioned whether Berry was providing the correct address, promised to send police “as soon as we get a car open,” and seemed to rebuff Berry’s attempts at conversation, repeatedly telling her to “talk to [the police] when they get there.”



    Charles Ramsey, the entertaining neighbor who helped Berry break free, reported similarly curt behavior from the person who fielded his 911 call. According to the Cleveland Plain Dealer, “Ramsey said the dispatcher didn't take his call seriously.”

    The Plain Dealer reports that the city’s Department of Public Safety will review the behavior of the dispatchers who handled both of these emergency calls. Department of Public Safety Director Martin Flask told the newspaper that “this matter will be investigated, and if necessary, appropriate corrective action taken.” That should ease the minds of the many Internet commenters who are outraged over the dispatchers’ perceived rudeness. As you might expect, there’s already a “Fire the dispatcher that took Amanda Berry’s call” Facebook page. “Hey everyone! Invite your friends so we can get this going!” reads one of the posts on the page. “The dispatcher had no right to act so insensitive to Amanda's pleas for immediate assistance. The said dispatcher needs swift and just disciplinary action!!”

    But from where I’m sitting, the dispatchers were just doing their jobs. The primary responsibility of a public safety dispatcher is to get accurate information from the caller as quickly as possible, so as to determine the best response. The good people at Dispatch Magazine, an Internet magazine for and about public safety dispatchers, have posted a training manual in which novices are told that “the caller usually knows what occurred, but not how to report it to the police. It's up to you to direct the caller's knowledge into meaningful answers.”

    When you listen to the recording or read the transcript of Amanda Berry’s call, it’s clear that the dispatcher lived up to that expectation, determining the relevant address despite Berry initially saying she was at 2207 (the house where she’d been held captive) rather than 2210 Seymour (the place where she’d escaped to). The dispatcher also got the name, age, and ethnicity of Ariel Castro, and sent the police on their way.

    The dispatcher who took Charles Ramsey’s call seems to have been similarly focused.



    Whereas Berry was frantic and terrified, Ramsey began his call with a long and colorful story:

    I’m at 2207 Seymour, West 25th. Hey, check this out. I just came from McDonald’s, right? I’m on my porch, eating my li’l food, right? This broad is tryin’ to break out the ****in’ house next door to me. So, it’s a bunch of people on the street right now and ****, so we like well, what’s wrong? What’s the problem? She like, ‘This mother****er done kidnapped me and my daughter and we been in this b****.’ She said her name was Linda Berry or some ****, I don’t know who the **** that is. I just moved over here, bro.

    This makes for great reading material after the fact, but in the moment, it’s a lot of superfluous information. “Talkative or insistent callers are difficult to question and may take a longer time to handle,” says the Dispatch Magazine training manual. The way to deal with these chatty types is to encourage them to slow down and to try to elicit as many details as you can. Sure enough, the first thing the dispatcher said to Ramsey was “Sir, sir, sir, sir. You have to calm down and slow down.” The dispatcher then got some details and sent the police.

    Some have criticized the Amanda Berry dispatcher for not remaining on the line with Berry until police arrived. That’s fair. When you’re dealing with a kidnapping or another manner of crime in progress, a dispatcher ought to keep the caller on the line to keep her calm and to elicit more information that might help emergency personnel when they arrive. Why didn’t that happen here? Presumably this is one of the things the Cleveland public safety director will investigate.

    But an emergency dispatcher shouldn’t be expected to be a counselor. While Dispatch Magazine does say that a 911 operator “should sound sympathetic and never make light of a caller's situation,” a crime victim isn't primarily calling 911 to be validated by the person who answers the phone. They are calling because they want the police to come and help them. And, in this situation, that happened really quickly. As Martin Flask told the Plain Dealer, “Within one minute and 18 seconds from the time that the call-taker answered the call our dispatcher was broadcasting the assignment to available police units.” Police were on the scene within two minutes of the initial call, Flask claims.

    Berry and the other two women have been freed, and three suspects are in custody—a job well done, more or less. So why are people getting so upset about the 911 operators? I think it’s because news organizations now have the ability to post recordings of 911 calls. The people listening to these recordings have already had time to develop empathy for the victims, and they think the dispatcher should share their empathy rather than focusing on getting the proper information. But the dispatcher’s job isn’t to empathize—it’s to send the police. That’s exactly what happened in Cleveland. Bravo, dispatchers.
     
  19. Air Langhi

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    Imperfect people can still do good things. None of us is entirely good or absolutely bad. Give the guy credit.
     

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