Charging Fouls need to be reduced or eliminated entirely

I don't think that's the same thing.

Drawing foul by driving more should not be criticized. That's within the nature of the game. What is criticized is intentionally creating contacts when it is not necessary for getting to the basket.

Drawing charge is getting to the space faster than the offensive player. That's within the nature of the game, just like driving is trying to get to the space before the defender.

I think what the OP is complaining is that too many charge calls are really iffy. The defender does not have real solid position. It's a matter of how to interpret the rule, not the problem of the rule itself.

 

No, it's just "taking a position" on the court. Guarding the lane is important and fundamental to all defenses. You can't tell a defense they can't stand somewhere.

I think you're saying maybe there's a way that a collision with a secondary defender shouldn't be a foul?? And maybe it makes it hard to score, anyhow.

Good luck defending Giannis, though. He'll just push you back and dunk it. I guess I appreciate defense more than you. I think this would unravel a lot of schemes, with bad unintentional consequences.

 

Yeah, but that just seems a nightmare to ref, unless, as you said in OP, you extend the restricted area, but otherwise still allow the principle of beating someone to a spot.

And I'd only entertain that rule change wrt to a secondary defender. Primary defenders could still take charges inside the restricted area, per current rules.

 

I get the OP position. I was just adding on. I just can't get on board with the slide under and planet your feet charges. It's corny. What other sport can you purposely put your self into a position for the soul purpose to cause another player to violate a rule.

Unless a Rocket does it, than it's OK

 

I just hate that play where a player jumps up in the air for a shot or pass and a defender just slides under them to draw a charge. That's not a basketball play and I don't think the defender should be rewarded for falling down.

 

Why not just extend the restricted area? Maybe a semi circle that has a diameter of the key? Or maybe the entire paint? That would seem to change some of the dynamics.

 

That's usually not called as an offensive foul, though.

 

That call on Harden last night when he kicked it out to the corner and his momentum caused him bump the set defender drawing the foul really drives me nuts. Those type of calls ruin the flow of the game.

 

Typically the NBA is screwing with these rules to increase scoring, thinking scoring = excitement.

It therefore becomes VERY confusing when they twist it to prevent the stars from scoring.

 

It's almost always called on Harden.

Last year against GS in the playoffs there was a play like that, but it was (thankfully) called a block. However, in the L2M report, they said it should have been an offensive foul. Which leads me to believe that the officials are supposed to call those plays charges, which is ridiculous.

 

Oh, I can get behind your original thought, if you can convince me there won’t be adverse consequences of the rule change, nor a rule that puts more judgement in hands of refs. I can get behind extending the Restricted Area by a foot, for instance.

btw: the play @KingCheetah mentioned was not a foul on Harden. It was a correct call on Rivers for a Jordan Bell-ish moving screen to open the corner 3. ​

That said, I like idea of getting rid of the charges on passes, and charges after a released floater, if defender wasn’t set prior to release of ball, in either situation. But I also find that hard to call...ie refs has to be looking at two things at one time. Further, if you ever run into a stationary defender ... I mean, you can’t dislodge someone blocking you out on the boards, and if you shoot a floater or pass for assist prior to hitting them....you are dislodging a potential rebounder, no?

I just keep coming back to extending the restricted area only thing easy to ref with no unintended consequences.

 

It's definitely murky and hard to ref, but please dont eliminate charges. Defense rules in the nba are already way too soft.