Can't just look at losses. Look at the wins OU would have beaten: Baylor, TCU, and OKState. Notre Dame would have beaten: Temple, Navy, and Stanford. Whose wins look better?
It's a subjective situation. A lot will depend on how each team finishes. At the end of the day, Navy could be ranked higher than any of those other teams. Honestly, I don't think either Notre Dame or OU are clearly better than the other when it comes to resume.
Since their first loss, Oklahoma and ND are both 6-0. OU's 6 opponents are a combined 31-33. ND's 6 opponents are a combined 39-26. ND has wins over 3 teams with 8+ wins, OU has 2. We all know about the common opponent. Seems crazy that OU jumped to #3 for getting wins over TCU/Baylor, both who had their backup QBs (and TCU without their best player Doctson). As it stands, I don't think ND gets in if MSU and OU win out. I also don't think it's fair to currently put OU above ND in the rankings.
ND won those 6 games by a combined 68 points. OU won their 6 games by 193 points. And while Navy and Temple are 8 win teams, they also don't play in major conferences and mostly play a bunch of scrubs. They are ranked because of their records, but no one considers them in the same league as a TCU or Baylor.
This is crazy talk. ND dominated Texas. Texas beat OU. End of story right there. But just to play along. OU essentially tied a TCU team without Boykin. Unimpressive. Oklahoma State has a lofty record, but they are not that good. Texas actually beat them except for the refs. Baylor had played nobody until they played OU, which they lost. Their only good win is.....at the expense of Oklahoma State. Baylor is just doing nobody any favors by playing Lamar, etc. in nonconference and blowing every big bowl game. P*ssies. I am of the belief that the playoffs aren't really necessary this year. I would be completely satisfied with a Clemson-Alabama national championship and that be it. The one-loss ACC team..........I think if that one-loss team is Clemson or has beaten Clemson then they definitely deserve to get in over a Big 12 team. Clemson's rolling Miami 58-0, beating Florida State, and beating Notre Dame gives them way more credibility. Big 12 is just going to continue to be viewed as the Gimmick Conference.
Actually, make that Iowa-Clemson National Championship, assuming things go right. If Alabama wants to win the National Championship, they can try not losing to a team who then goes onto lose to non-Power 5 team in Memphis.
Why are these details even being discussed? They have a common opponent. It should be a no-brainer. OU shouldn't get a break losing to one of the sh#ttiest teams in all the land.
So if two teams have a common opponent, the results of the other 22 games are irrelevant? That seems like a dumb standard. OSU got in last year losing to a terrible VaTech team - at home. The committee has made abudantly clear that a bad loss does not end your hopes if you have a lot of good wins to counteract that.
Yes, that is the answer. If they both only have one loss and one team slaughtered the team the other lost to, then that is all that should matter. And why shouldn't be that way? If OU had played Clemson, one can only conclude they would have lost. That would give OU 2 losses. No team should be in the Playoffs who has lost to Texas this year. Every game should count.
More than anything, the TV analysts are saying that the committee has published criteria which states that non-conference champs need to CLEARLY be better than conference champs in order to get a top 4 bid. If the Notre Dame vs OU debate questionable at all, the edge will go to OU if they are conference champs. This point will be moot anyways as Stanford will beat Notre Dame.
This seems like a really silly and superficial way to evaluate a team. Just because each team has the number 9 in their record doesn't mean they have played the same amount of quality teams and have quality wins. For instance, OU is 2-0 against top 10 teams and Notre Dame is 0-1.
You bringing up Florida is interesting. That is a mediocre football team that benefits from playing in a very weak division. I highly doubt they will beat Florida State this weekend. If by some miracle, they beat Alabama in the championship game, a 2-loss Florida team will not get in. If by some miracle, they beat both Florida State and Alabama, then they should and will be in. But lets be real, no way in hell that is happening.
Tell me why the big shift this week. OU did not look good at all beating a pathetically weakened TCU at home. They were a two-point conversion away from losing. Sure, ND didn't look good either. But how does OU jump ND & Iowa based solely on last week's results?
Until OU lost their own QB, they were dominating that weakened TCU team. ND struggled at home with a 3-8 team. Saying "sure, ND didn't look good either" is a vastly dismissive understatement.
Also, since I watch all the CFB shows, they also say that the committee has a track record of awarding teams that can handle adversity. That's a big reason why Notre Dame was high in the first place. They kept losing star players and still won their decent schedule. OU has dominated the weaklings, beat a very good Baylor team, and then overcame a key injury to hold on vs. TCU. TCU screwed up that game by the way. Knight has had one great game I can recall (vs Bama in the bowl 2 years ago). He was doing nothing that whole second half and TCU lets OU off the hook. Also, top 10 wins count at the time of the ranking? I only see Baylor as a top 10 win. TCU is currently 18th. Again, all for nothing because Stanford is going to beat Notre Dame. OU is in unless Stoops poops the bed against an inferior OK St. team.
Oklahoma's win over TCU (whom they have ranked 18) helped their resume more than ND's win over BC and Iowa's win over Purdue.
Off topic, how does the Big 12 championship work exactly? Last year, they named Baylor/TCU co-champs. Does that mean this year, they'll name Baylor and (Oklahoma or Oklahoma St) co-champs assuming Baylor beats TCU? The head to head does not matter? Would a shared championship help or hurt OU or Baylor when evaluating?
Ah, I don't like the way you all (and maybe the committee) evaluates teams. Maybe OU is good on paper, but they lost to a terrible team in Texas and that counts. One reason I liked college football is every game counts. No preseason and no playoffs (used to be). Pretty soon you all will change it into the NFL where a team can have 7 bad days (losses) and still become champion. No thank you.
