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Cato on Obama

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  1. basso

    basso Contributing Member
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    a Libertarian perspective on Obama.

    [rquoter]Obama Wouldn't Change Tax-and-Spend Model of Liberalism

    by Michael D. Tanner

    Barack Obama is now the clear front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination. He's risen high on his inspiring persona and uplifting rhetoric. At a time of prolonged war and economic uncertainty, he appeals to Americans' hope for something better than the bitter partisan infighting that has paralyzed Washington. And Obama offers an opportunity for closing America's racial divide. It is hard not to cheer his success.

    Yet, politics is also about issues. And on this score, Sen. Obama represents less hope and change than a wish list for every conceivable liberal special interest group.

    This shouldn't come as a surprise. According to the respected and nonpartisan National Journal, Obama is the most liberal U.S. senator, with a voting record actually to the left of Bernie Sanders, Vermont's self-proclaimed socialist. Consider what Obama actually promises to do:

    Taxes and spending: There is no doubt an Obama presidency would represent a return to traditional tax-and-spend liberalism. According to the National Taxpayers Union, Obama has so far proposed at least $287 billion per year in new government spending. And that was before he unveiled his $150 billion "green energy plan" last week. Nor does that include the spending proposals he has supported in the Senate but not discussed on the campaign trail. For example, Obama is co-sponsor of a Senate bill to spend at least $845 billion over the next five years to fight global poverty. CNBC economic analyst Larry Kudlow estimates that, when all is said and done, Obama's new spending plans will cost us more than $800 billion per year.

    A President Obama would mean a much bigger, more intrusive, and costlier government.

    He would pay for all of this with higher - much higher - taxes. He would, of course, allow the Bush tax cuts to expire in 2010. But that's just the beginning. Obama also has called for removing the cap on Social Security payroll tax, a $1.3 trillion tax hike over the first five years. And, at a time when the U.S. economy is slowing down, Obama would significantly increase taxes on business, investment and job creation, including nearly doubling taxes on capital gains. Americans would face some of the highest marginal tax rates in the world.

    Health care: A President Obama would take America down the road to a government-run health care system. He supports a concept known as "managed competition" under which insurance would remain privately owned, but would operate in an artificial marketplace with strict government regulation, much like a public utility. The government would determine what types of benefits you would be required to purchase and how much insurers could charge. Young and healthy people would have to pay more than they ought to in order to subsidize premiums for older, sicker individuals.

    While he would not actually mandate that individuals buy health insurance - a point of contention with Hillary Clinton - Obama would mandate that all employers provide their workers with insurance. That proposal would almost certainly end up hurting workers. An employer is indifferent as to whether compensation comes in the form of wages, taxes, health insurance or other benefits. Employers will therefore have to find ways to offset the added costs. This they can do by raising prices, lowering wages or reducing future wage increases, reducing other benefits such as pensions, or hiring fewer workers. As always, employees will be the net losers, with the low-skilled suffering most.

    Regulation: A health care mandate is not the only new regulation that Obama wants to impose. For example, he would require businesses to pay an undefined "living wage." He would require paid "family and medical leave." He would regulate mortgages and credit card interest rates. He would impose a host of environmental and labor restrictions. The net cost of this regulatory burden almost certainly will be higher unemployment and greater poverty.

    And it's not just businesses that would feel the regulatory hand of an Obama presidency. Consumers too will have to pay, as he imposes new costs on products ranging from homes to automobiles and appliances. In almost everything we do, Obama sees a need for the government to intervene.

    A President Obama would mean a much bigger, more intrusive, and costlier government. Indeed, when considering his policies, one searches in vain for any break with liberal orthodoxy. Personal accounts for Social Security? Entitlement reform? School choice? Obama rejects them all, calling such proposals, "Social Darwinism."

    That's a lot less inspiring than Obama the candidate.[/rquoter]
     
  2. us_marine007

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    lol... i thought it was KELVIN CATO's perspective...
     
  3. rhester

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    Nobody is going to believe the truth.
    The single most important issue in this election is govt. spending.

    The media will never make any of these points issues, therefore the sheeple will do as the media directs... elect him.
     
  4. deepblue

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    I begin to believe it really doesn't matter, regardless of issues, criticisms, he is pretty much impervious to them. As long as he repeats "yes we can", people will vote for him no matter what.
     
  5. count_dough-ku

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    Yep. Sounds like Jimmy Carter 2.0.
     
  6. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    who is fiscally conservative that's left in this race. not even huckabee. what's the alternative.
     
  7. deepblue

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    But we know Obama will raise more taxes and add more spending than anyone.
     
  8. pgabriel

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    I don't think that's been proven at all.
     
  9. Big Dogg

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    me too.
     
  10. No Worries

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    Can anyone post an article with what the John Birch Society thinks about Obama?
     
  11. count_dough-ku

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    That's why conservatives are so pissed right now. We have no one in this race to get behind(Ron Paul doesn't count since he has no shot at the nomination). And this is coming on the heels of 8 years of Bush who aside from his tax cuts is no fiscal conservative.

    McCain has pledged to not raise taxes if elected, but you can't blame GOP voters for being a little skeptical of the guy based on his actions in the Senate since 2000.
     
  12. ico4498

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    desperation has a smell.

    basso is the champion ...
     
  13. bladeage

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    Obama can take Cato. Cato couldn't guard a 3 year old.
     
  14. deepblue

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    Let's see, McCain wants to keep Bush tax cuts.

    Both Hillary and Obama will likely raise taxes, but there are differences, for example Obama wants to uncap the SS tax, which amounts to a 6.5% tax increase.

    The Kudlow article pretty much laid out Obama's spending plans, very scary to say the least.

    Again, none of this really matters as long as the "yes we can" message keeps on flowing.
     
  15. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    and he wants to start another war and stay in iraq for another 100 years.


    how's he gonna pay for that, just borrow more. he'll let you keep your money
     
  16. deepblue

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    This pretty much sums up the Obama phenomenon.
     
  17. No Worries

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    And the right wingnuts are not buying it.
     
  18. deepblue

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    Hey I am not sure if I believe him, but at least he said he won't raise taxes.
     
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    He also said he'd accept public funding and now is trying to back out of that so who knows what that senile old man is going to do.
     
  20. rhester

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    I wouldn't defend Obama by comparing him to McCain, when it comes to ruining the future economy they are both shoe-ins.

    They will just spend it differently.

    Obama is just as much of an economic blunder as McCain and Hillary.

    It really doesn't matter at this point. Vote and be happy.
     

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