I like Mobley, even though he's simply a moron who doesnt know when not to shoot. This offense cannot and will not work with 3 scorers who need to shoot the ball around 20 times a game. And we all realize Mobley is the 3rd option who needs to limit his shots to around 10 a game and let Ming become the first option instead of the third. As Ming is the one taking around 10 shots a game. We all know Mobley will NEVER STOP shooting the damn ball, so there is no choice but to trade him for a lesser scoring option. Francis' butt buddy has to go cause Van Gundy's offensive technique with gettin Yao the ball will never work with a guy like Mobley, who doesnt know when not to shoot. By trading Cat for a true PG, one who will distribute the ball first, and shoot only when open, we can move Stevie to the 2 where he can use his offensive explosion more often rather than trying to be a passer, which he is not much of. I had a couple of trade ideas, but the best I had we didnt do. If during the offseason we could have done a sign and trade for Andre Miller, offering the Clips Mobley...this team offense would be perfect. Miller has led the league in assists twice now, and he would have been the ideal fit for the PG spot for us. But since hes gone to the Nuggs for REASONABLE money, (no thanks to u Les-cheap b*stard) i came up with a trade idea that makes sense. Now throw in our SF situation, with Griffin out of our future plans, and JJ not in our long term plans, and Nachbar looking more of a 6th man than a future starting small forward, we need a new 3. The trade idea would be Mobley for Tinsley and Al Harrington Our best bet is to trade for out of favor Jamaal Tinsley from Indiana. The guy easily gets 8-15 assists a game and plays hard. The knock on him is that hes not much of a shooter...perfect for us . With Al Harrington we get a young up and coming 3, who not only will occasionally score (as a 3rd scoring option generally does), but this kid plays good defense AND rebounds the ball. The Pacers use him off the bench (Artest is too good), but I think the kid is ready for a starting role pushing JJ to the bench to become our 6th man. While Indiana gets back a scoring threat in Mobley they actually need, with Reggie Miller not being the player he once was, Cat can team with J-O'neal to form a good scoring threat, with Artest providing the D. I think this trade works for both teams. I have no problems with Mobely, but he is just not the type of player that would fit into JVG's system. With this trade, our team outlook gets A LOT better So whattya guys think??
CAN U MORONS PLEASE STOP TRADE POSTS!!! Damn... PLEASE... Hey Mr. greatest idea for the Houston Rockets fans aka CLUTCH (By the way, site looks really really nice...) Can u make a forum for these stupid trade ideas that are going to come up after game.? LOL I'm so tired of ... Mobley 21ppg 5rpg 3apg for (insert name of any shooting guard in the league) same thing for Stevie then ... Trade Accepted....
Well, at least this post doesn't have the blah, blah, blah... Trade Accepted. Who are the trades accepted by anyways? Tinsley is a nice playmaking point man, but he's a HORRIBLE shooter. This guy can't hit a brick wall from 10 feet, and he'll be constantly dared into shooting while Yao or Steve gets double-teamed. Unless he's injured, why do you suppose he's sitting on the bench in Indiana behind Kenny Anderson?
You are right about the first point of Mobley being a moron but dead wrong about the second. This team desperately needs scorers and looks to be hard presed to score 80 points on a nightly basis. Dallas now has 5 scorers and their offense works just fine. The key is the offensive system that will be used and that was my biggest concern with JVG as a coach. Getting the ball to Yao will work most nights but by doing that you invite the type of defense that Hubie threw at them where he dared the other "morons" on the Rockets to play smart and score. On any given night it would be a sure bet that the Rockets will not answer the challenge and instead would do what they did against the Grizzlies. This is why I felt that CD did a sorry ass job this year getting the kind of guys who could counter that strategy. Travis Best would have been a steal - Dallas got him for a song. We're stuck with Moochie who I'm certain will be let gone by January. We get Griffin & Piakowski (big whoop). To top it off, we must have the worst front line in the division and that's WITH Yao as center. With the EG meltdown, you now have a team of Yao & Steve and bunch of guys named Herb and Steve's game is not without warts as well. I'm standing by my prediction that these first 2 months will be very rocky and that in spite of his best efforts, JVG may still not be enough to get this group into the playoffs. An awful lot of folks on this board were turning their noses up at Memphis, Phoenix and Denver and it may well be that these teams end up showing more progress than the Rockets in this year one of the JVG regime.
I'd gladly trade Mobley straight up for Al Harrington right now. Harrington can be our SF, he's playing great right now, and he can fill some backup PF minutes too. One concern would be outside shooting, but I'd argue that this trade would increase Boki and Pike's minutes, which would make up for the loss in perimeter shooting.
The problem with Cat is that he doesn't shoot a high enough % to earn those shots. If Mobley was good for this team, he'd EASILY EASILY find a way to shoot 50%, especially with Steve and yao on the team. But he insists on taking on defenses head to head like Yao and Francis.
I think Cat is okay with the team. The problem is the backup PG situation. Moochie is not doing the job. Maybe a veteran backup PG would help?
Hey Mr. Kissass - can u moron please stop using u as an abbreviation for you? I agree that trade ideas get old real fast - unless they are well thought out and don't involve players who will not get traded like Mobes. Why won't Mobes get traded? He is not being paid enough to motivate the front office into wanting to get rid of him. That and the fact that he is Steve's best friend, not to mention a great player. Mobes shoots well from the field and from the line. His defense has really improved, and most importantly that you idiots who suggest trading him, you will never find his kind of value in another player making similar pay. You would have to trade him for a nobody slap dick bench player. Any good player is making way more money. And Krysten128 - the trades are accepted by realgm.com which has a trade checker that can tell you if any league salary or trade restrictions are being broken on a trade. For this reason it is actually ONLY worth listening to a trade idea IF it includes the words TRADE ACCEPTED.
Developing shooting skill is just not a priority today with young players. And I'm not talking about "finding your shot." I'm talking about the open shots! I've never seen so many OPEN SHOTS missed by players around the league as the last 10 years. There are a few very good shooters today (that are not specialist).
Houston trades: SG Cuttino Mobley (17.5 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 2.9 apg in 41.7 minutes) Houston receives: SG Michael Redd (15.1 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 1.4 apg in 28.2 minutes) Change in team outlook: -2.4 ppg, +0.3 rpg, and -1.5 apg. Milwaukee trades: SG Michael Redd (15.1 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 1.4 apg in 28.2 minutes) Milwaukee receives: SG Cuttino Mobley (17.5 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 2.9 apg in 73 games) Change in team outlook: +2.4 ppg, -0.3 rpg, and +1.5 apg. TRADE DECLINED Due to Houston and Milwaukee being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Houston and Milwaukee had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did not happen here (only Houston met the condition). This trade does not satisfy the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement. See how it works.
I want to say again, Cat is okay, he has improved his defensive ability. It is the PG position. We need a veteran PG to calm the team down when under pressure. Steve is a great talent, but his PG skills under pressure is still tested. I remembered his last game in the NCAA playoff againt a team that plays zone defense, Steve just did not play well under zone pressure. Anyway, it is only 2 games, 80 to go.
True, however, these are a few examples, just to make things clear, along with their FG% from last year: Calbert Cheaney 49.9% Wally Szerbiack 48.1% Micheal Redd 46.9% Kerry Kittles 46.7% Larry Hughes 46.7% Shane Battier 48.3% Eric Piatowski 47.1% Brent Barry 45.8% Wesley Person 45.6% Jon Barry 45% These are the type of Guards we need. Most of these guys take great care of the ball, are great catch and shoot players, and KNOW THEIR ROLE. The one that SHOCKED and impressed me the most was Larry Hughes, as I remember he had a terrible FG% for a few years. However, it would be nice to have him in the backcourt with Steve. He can share the PG responsibilities with Steve, and I'm positive picked some great things up from MJ. Apparently, he was most willing to learn. He's got great size and athe perfect frame to play D, assuming the effort is there. I would, however, be worried about whther or not he can adjust to playing with a great big man, he's never played with one before. I also noticed this guy called Ronald Murray had a couple of GREAT games for Seattle. Anyone know anything about him? What kind of player? My first option on that list would definitely be Micheal Redd though. I'd give up Mobley and Griffin for Micheal Redd, and then sign Anthony Mason if needed. Redd is one of those players that always plays hard, great contract, catch and shoot, and will only improve with Yao demanding double teams.
Milwaukee trades: SG Michael Redd (15.1 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 1.4 apg in 28.2 minutes) Milwaukee receives: PF Eddie Griffin (8.6 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 1.1 apg in 24.5 minutes) SG Cuttino Mobley (17.5 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 2.9 apg in 41.7 minutes) Change in team outlook: +11.0 ppg, +5.7 rpg, and +2.6 apg. Houston trades: PF Eddie Griffin (8.6 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 1.1 apg in 24.5 minutes) SG Cuttino Mobley (17.5 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 2.9 apg in 41.7 minutes) Houston receives: SG Michael Redd (15.1 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 1.4 apg in 82 games) Change in team outlook: -11.0 ppg, -5.7 rpg, and -2.6 apg. TRADE DECLINED Due to Houston and Milwaukee being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Houston and Milwaukee had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did not happen here (only Houston met the condition). This trade does not satisfy the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement. Mason isn't even with the Bucks anymore. If you don't check the possibility of your trade ideas, suggesting them is entirely useless.
Ugh. Milwaukee can just throw in some bull**** contract. With Griffin making around 2M and Mobley around 5M, we'd need about 2.5M from Milwaukee's side to make it work. I'm pretty sure they have some trade exception from the last trade they made, and if not, surely they have a 2M contract to throw in. Oh, and I said let's sign Anthony Mason. A BASIC Griffin and Mobley for Redd deal is workeable, and I'd rather be considered about each team getting fair value than doing what everyone else does, which is just throw players together to match salaries and expect both sides to do it.
Uhh... look dude. The rosters are there. You have to figure out which players will make the trade work. What kind of vague statement is the can just throw in some bull**** contract to make it work? If you have an idea of what might work, list that bull****. If you don't have the energy to figure out how to make that trade work then don't bother suggesting it. There is no point in talking about something that can't happen. Do you think the GM's are going to be on the phone and then go -oh we can just throw in some bull**** contracts to make it work...? Why don't you suggest what bull**** they are going to throw in to the deal to make it work? And why in the hell would we want to sign Mason, and why in the hell did you bring it up while talking about a Redd-Mobley deal?
Yeah, that would be a dream trade for the Rockets. If you can get the bucks to do that then go for it. But back to reality. In your first post you mentioned bull**** contracts. Haislip, Kukoc are not considered bull**** to the Milwaukee front office. Like anyone would want Moochie's contract - that is hilarious.
That's fine, we have conflicting opinions, I can live with that. I think it's more important to have the basic players in place and worry about details (throw ins) later. Here's my favourite combination of trades which I think would be slightly difficult to swing, but would really make us a super team: Houston trades Mobley Griffin Norris Part of the exception Recieves Avery Johnson Micheal Redd Golden State trades Avery Johnson Evan Eschemeyer Jason Richardson Golden State recieves Mobley Kukoc 1st round pick (protected bia Milwaukee) Milwaukee trades Kukoc Redd Recieves Moochie Norris Evan Eschemeyer Eddie Griffin Jason Richardson Part of exception
