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Carville: 'Ted Cruz Is the Most Talented, Fearless Republican Politician I’ve Seen in 30 Years'

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by bobmarley, May 6, 2013.

  1. ROXRAN

    ROXRAN Contributing Member

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    Those who obey the law vs criminals....who causes more problems? Tough one isn't it?
     
  2. BE4RD

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    Are you going to keep steering the conversation into a ditch, or are you actually interested in legitimate ways about how to prevent gun violence/crime?

    Right now, based on your responses, you don't seem all that interested in solutions. Just getting your way when it comes to gun laws, consequences for society be damned.
     
  3. giddyup

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    The body of people who enact the laws barely can understand the ramifications of almost any law so I'm not sure that we should get too much behind what a public poll tells us about some people who have had their Dinner and a Re-run interrupted by a phonecall.

    We elect these people to represent us not echo us.
     
  4. Commodore

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    no, he said Hagel was not being transparent with his financial disclosures, and gave a hypothetical example to show why it's important for him to do so:

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    Anyone trying to obtain a high level security clearance has to provide this information.
     
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  5. bobmarley

    bobmarley Contributing Member

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    Blah! Blah! Blah! McCarthyism! Blah! Blah!
     
  6. BE4RD

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    One thing is for sure, they sure know how it effects them personally ($$$). Ignorant as the public may be, they're collectively no dumber than the people representing them. Add in the fact that the public isn't privy to special influence, and you have a better case for trusting them.

    This is a meaningless, hollow statement. Representatives are meant to enforce and uphold the will of their constituents. To state otherwise is silly.
     
  7. bobmarley

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    I disagree respectfully. It is understood that if a representative wants to hold his elected office that he will try to fulfill the promises that he gave the people who elected him. But in the same breath, we also look to our representatives for insight and leadership that we as the public do not have the same information and experience with. I expect that leaders will behave according to their guiding principles but they have liberty to make choices and put together legislation that will be best for all, not just a majority.
     
  8. BE4RD

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    This statement and mine are not incompatible and do not run counter to each other. You are allotting for instances wherein the public are not privy to certain information to make judgments. This is not one of those times.
     
  9. bobmarley

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    Please explain.
     
  10. Dubious

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    Cruz is the perfect candidate for the Nuvo FAUX party.

    A corporate toadie trolling the right wing nut jobs hard.

    I think the 1% just use them. For one, where they can win state and local elections they provide a position to obstruct real change in legislation. And on the national level where they can't win, they galvanize support for centrist/corporatist candidates . All us lefties are so scared of these idiots we will vote for whomever can defeat them despite the fact that we are essentially electing lobbyist.

    This is fun:

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  11. BE4RD

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    On the matter of background checks, representatives are not privy to any special information that allows them to make better judgments than the public. It's not an issue of national security or something involving state secrets, which is where your scenario would apply.
     
  12. rimrocker

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    LOL at Rethugs who believe Carville word for word. I probably shouldn't point this out and just let this Cruz fear idea germinate, but it is so blindingly obvious I can't help myself.

    Dems don't fear any GOP candidate because any Repub nominee will likely have lost the general during the primaries. Dems are just trying to make absolutely certain it happens.

    The objective behind Carville's statement is to sow discord. If you get the lizardbrains to believe Dems are scared of Cruz, that elevates him greatly because one of the basic tenets of today's Republican Party is that they are in favor of whatever pisses Dems off the most regardless of the destruction it causes their own party or the country. If you can play on that 3rd grade bully instinct, it forces Cruz's primary opponents even further towards crazyville to counter Cruz, thus rendering the winner a 45 percenter in the general.

    (And to top it off, Dems certainly don't fear a Repub presidential nominee from TX. TX will stay Repub in 2016 but the TX GOP brand has been tarnished nationally for a generation and by the time it is revived, TX will be purple. Thanks W!)
     
  13. bobmarley

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    Reid calls him a "schoolyard bully" haha! Are senior Senators really that incapable?

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    I particularly like this exchange. Cruz is outsmarting the Demos.

    The bolded part is what is the actual problem.

     
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    And when that hypothetical is a personal insult, it's irresponsible.

    If I said everyone is imperfect. Hypothetically Commodore's imperfection may be that he's taking money from N. Korea. Can Commodore bring forward information to show he's not?

    That's irresponsible, and personally insulting of me to do that on a public Senate hearing.
     
  15. bobmarley

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    He also deals with Bill Richardson's comments

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    They would rather character attack then actually debate him on the substance of the topics, because they probably realize that they will be made to look silly if they do.
     
  16. bobmarley

    bobmarley Contributing Member

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    He was saying that if someone wants that high of a security clearance, that they should answer for where that money came from.

    Do you think he should have to answer for where that money came from?

    What is he hiding?
     
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    Ted Cruz is smart enough to share the stage at the NRA rally with this guy....... I too hope he is the future face of the republican party.
     
  18. bobmarley

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    Did you even watch his speech?

    Why don't you go post that photo in the photo thread in the hangout and in the unsorted forum, too, for good measure.
     
  19. bobmarley

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    Liberal Anger Only Makes Ted Cruz Stronger

    By Ramesh Ponnuru 2013-05-06T22:00:31Z
    Rude, entitled, arrogant and off- putting: That’s how the conventionally wise in Washington are characterizing Ted Cruz, the conservative new senator from Texas. It’s a better description of the critics themselves, who are inadvertently helping Cruz build his national fan base.

    I’ll admit to being biased about Cruz, who has been a friend for almost half my life. But you don’t need to like Cruz or his politics to see how weightless some of the criticisms are.

    The New York Times columnist David Brooks delivered a common critique of Cruz in a recent public appearance: “If you mention the name Ted Cruz to other senators, you just get titanic oceans of eye rolling. Because you’re a freshman, you don’t go in and take over hearings, you, like, hang around and learn how it’s done,” he said. “It doesn’t help that he has a face that looks a little like Joe McCarthy, actually. I just -- I find him a little off-putting.”

    So, in short: You’re trashing the fine traditions of this great and storied chamber. Plus we don’t like your face.

    Dana Milbank, who showcases his snark in the Washington Post, criticized the senator for microphone-hogging bad manners in a column that started, “Is there nobody who can tell Ted Cruz to shut up?”

    Maybe a quieter Cruz would have better relationships with his colleagues, who would then do more to advance his legislative goals. If so, that’s more an indictment of the culture of the Senate than of Cruz. The people of Texas didn’t vote for him because he promised to keep his head down in deference to his colleagues. No senator wins election that way. Presumably voters want senators who will be as effective as they can be in advocating for the views they campaigned on.

    Violating Decorum

    Of all the possible critiques of Cruz, this one -- that his colleagues resent all the attention he’s getting -- has the least resonance outside the Beltway. Oh wait, except for another one: He has violated Senate protocol.

    Last week, the New York Times reported that in a breach of the Senate’s “rules of decorum,” Cruz had given a public gathering his account of how some closed-door conversations among unidentified Republican colleagues had gone. (He said they were “squishes.”) The paper mentioned that it had already reported on those conversations with an account less flattering to Cruz.

    Maybe Cruz was indiscreet. But who really cares about these “rules of decorum”? Not the Times, which was happy to report on the off-the-record conversations, with names. And apparently not the other senators, who don’t seem to mind having their aides leak to the Times.

    The conservative editors of the Wall Street Journal opinion pages have a more substantive complaint about Cruz. Although they share his opposition to most gun regulations, they thought his recent filibuster on the subject was unwise, and they fault him for treating a tactical dispute as a matter of principle. They make some reasonable points, but their focus on these questions seems weirdly disproportionate: On May 3, they devoted both an editorial and a column to them.

    Cruz has staked out very conservative positions on most issues, all of which are fair game for criticism. Yet to an unusual extent his opponents resort to a kind of aesthetic disdain for him instead of taking on his positions. There isn’t much more to these criticisms than to Cher’s Twitter posts that “the smell of sulphur follows him wherever he goes.”

    Most of these denunciations help Cruz: He’ll probably use Cher in an online ad someday. A lot of conservatives will rally around anyone under attack from liberals, whatever the merits. And the insubstantiality of the attacks only makes them more helpful. They let him send a message to conservatives across the country: The Beltway wants to put us in our place, and I won’t let them.

    Presidential Aspirations

    Cruz’s Beltway critics were horrified anew last week on reports that he is thinking of running for president. If the past few months are any guide, he would try to build a majority starting with the most conservative end of the Republican primary electorate, and argue that the party needs to nominate a true conservative rather than an establishment favorite.

    Many Republicans have tried this strategy since President Ronald Reagan left the scene. None has succeeded. The right end of the party invariably splits its support among several candidates, and voters in the middle of the party usually prefer someone with more experience than the right’s favorites.

    Maybe Cruz has a different strategy in mind, or has a reason for thinking this time will be different. If he runs, he will have at least one thing going for him: He has a knack for making his opponents lose their wits.

    (Ramesh Ponnuru is a Bloomberg View columnist, a visiting fellow at the American Enterprise Institute and a senior editor at National Review. The opinions expressed are his own.)

    To contact the writer of this article: Ramesh Ponnuru at rponnuru@bloomberg.net
     
  20. BE4RD

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    Fringers like Cruz drove the GOP into the ditch. Why the hell would anybody in the Republican party be celebrating over this guy becoming the face of the party? Happy in the small tent, I suppose.
     

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