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Canadian Prime Minister personally welcomes Syrian refugees at the airport

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Northside Storm, Dec 11, 2015.

  1. AroundTheWorld

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    It's a nice gesture by the Canadian prime minister. Certainly sets a better tone than Trump's rhetoric.
     
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    So instead of being rational and having a proper vetting process, we just don't take any of them? One if the 'criticisms' by the right wing is Obama isn't vetting them... Exactly where are they getting that notion from. Last time I checked, it can take up to two years for a refugee to be properly vetted into the U.S.
     
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  4. Northside Storm

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    They can also be exceptionally good.

    I'm sorry, but if your probablistic risk model involves weighing the difference between 0.00001 deaths per 1,000,000 refugees and 0.00002, and you can ignore all other risk factors that go into society, then your bias is exceptionally bad and illogical. That's not even counting the other end of the spectrum, which you seem to ignore: Muslims who are exceptionally productive and good at what they do.
     
  5. Northside Storm

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    first, thanks Jawed Karim.

    second, the FBI isn't the only agency involved. In fact, DHS does most of the heavy carrying.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-is-the-syrian-refugee-vetting-process/

    Proof in the pudding? None of the 9/11 attackers came in on refugee status, they came in on visas. The only reason why terrorist members would sneak in through the much more rigorous refugee vetting process is because they would seek to stop the flow of refugees.

    This, above all else, is what ISIS fears.

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    Here's my favorite line from that article:
     
  6. Commodore

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    Tsarnaevs came through refugee program.

    FBI director says we have no way of vetting refugees.

    Makes sense that ISIS would try all means to get in: student visas, work visas, fiancee visas, asylum status.
     
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    What is you point? So 0.00004% of refugees did something bad so lets ban them all?

    Your chance of dying from eating too many cheesburger, driving a car, getting shot >> getting killed by terrorist.

    This country wastes way too much money on terrorism funding.
     
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    Within 1 year of Ted Cruz' age.
     
  9. B-Bob

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    Damn. Ted looks turrrrrible for being in his early 40's. All that jowliness and face blubber I had pegged for mid-50's. Not kidding.
     
  10. Northside Storm

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    1) Your first two statements are factually inaccurate and in some cases flat out wrong.

    The Tsarnaevs did not come through the refugee process, they came through asylum. Yes, there is a difference.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-bier/the-boston-bombers-were-n_b_8584016.html

    This reveals a critical fact:

    2) Comey didn't say the United States has no way of vetting refugees, he said that there was less data than they would like for the FBI's purposes. Comey is not the head of every agency involved in this process, most notably the DHS that conducts rigorous in-person interviews and receives documentation on all refugee candidates to make sure their stories match up. I had previously pointed out that the Syrian regime was actually quite good at documenting their population.

    3) Now that you know that the refugee vetting process is the most rigorous the United States can apply (beyond even asylum) to migrants, and that there have been zero terrorist attacks in the United States by refugees during a period since 1980 where there have been hundreds of thousands of refugees from the Middle East--are you going to focus your irrational nativist fears to business visas?
     
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    It is simplistic and misguided that anyone can take a blanket ban of Muslims seriously as national security policy.

    Leaving aside humanitarian or politically correct arguments such a policy has some very obvious flaws. First off banning refugees ignores that most people who come to this country visit for many other reasons. There are tourists, people coming here to visit family, people coming for trade and for work. The 9/11 terrorists didn't come here as refugees. Banning Muslims just means that anyone here who really wants to come will make sure to say that they aren't Muslim. As many point out "Muslim" isn't a race or ethnicity so there is no specific obvious indicators about who is a Muslim. Also since Muslims are worldwide it would be difficult just to separate them out by country of origin.

    If we really had a policy of keeping out Muslims we would have to actually keep almost everyone out since there is no easy way of determining who is and who isn't actually Muslim.

    Just barring Muslims from coming here doesn't resolve the issue of the spread of radical messages. DAESH, Al Qaeda, Al Shabab and etc.. have shown a remarkable ability to recruit people from many countries to their cause using the internet. Unless we are going to try to shut down the internet, a much harder task than shutting down immigration, the message of radicalization will still get through and with the mistrust bred from a blanket ban on Muslims will likely find more fertile ground.

    Barring the difficulty of actually keeping Muslims out there are some other consequences of such a policy. Our economy is dependent on relatively open borders. If we shut down a major part of that our economy will suffer. The difficulties of trying to screen out who are and who aren't Muslims will greatly hamper tourism which will hurt our economy. While our largest trading partners aren't Islamic majority countries there still is significant investment from those countries and it's unlikely that they will just sit by while the US shuts off Muslim immigration.
     
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