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Can we stop with the DMo/Jones stats per 36 minutes

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by heypartner, Aug 8, 2015.

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  1. Mr. Clutch

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    Wow quit being such a hatter. He can rebound pretty good for a guard.
     
    #81 Mr. Clutch, Aug 8, 2015
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    Without Josh Smith next year, the hope is that Motiejunas and Jones would be playing more minutes. On average, we should expect at least one of them to be on the floor for 36+ minutes per game.

    Last year, due to injuries, there were only 25 games where they both played. Taking a look at those games, I tallied up some of their stats when at least one was on the floor but not both.

    Per game, it came to: 31.6 mpg, 13.8 ppg, 7.8 rpg, 1.5 apg, 1.8 tpg, 1.3 bpg, 0.9 spg, and 55.1% true shooting.
     
    #82 durvasa, Aug 8, 2015
  3. OpenLayup-Why3?

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    Source?
     
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  4. Mr. Clutch

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    Youre really mad. Like the LOFs. But seriously it was actually 5.

    That just won't cut it in today's game
     
    #84 Mr. Clutch, Aug 8, 2015
  5. heypartner

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    First you say per36 is a production rate stat, then you say you can divide by 36 to get per minute.

    You can just divide by per minutes to get the per minute stat to begin with. There is no mathematical reason to first normalize to 36 then divide by 36.

    The only reason for per36 is to see their totals at increased minutes to compare to the elite players (where only one of them was above 36 mpg). Don't say you are doing that to see per minute production. If you want per minute, just do it.

    Here's what you are doing:

    36 / real mpg X real mpg stats / 36 = per minute stats

    Just do this:

    real mpg stats / real mpg = per minute

    The reason you first bump up to per36 is to make a point about their totals. You aren't doing that to show us per minute.
     
    #85 heypartner, Aug 8, 2015
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    How is this really stupid thread still going? Per 36 is just one stat that should never be used on it's own....you know, just like pretty much no stat should ever be used on it's own. When used along with other metrics and preferably game tape as well, per 36 is a valid metric....even if it's not perfect, and even if some can't figure that out.

    I feel like we shouldn't waste a whole lot of time on those who don't know how to read and use sports metrics.
     
    #86 Bobbythegreat, Aug 8, 2015
  7. heypartner

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    And that's post #2 for Bobbythegreat to tell us nothing except he doesn't like this thread.

    Dude, you don't have to post in every single freaking thread. It's hurts your quality posting metrics by increasing your usage% with no increase in posting value.
     
    #87 heypartner, Aug 8, 2015
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    You started a thread because you don't understand how a metric like per 36 would be used and you are coming at me? LOL that's adorable. You've even had people spell it out to you several times already and you still don't get it....can't we just end it here? You're probably never going to get it....and that's okay.

    I have now 3 posts in this embarrassment of a thread, how many do you have? Whatever that number is, you should probably keep it that way because we get it, you're never going to understand. If this thread went on as long as the Cyber thread, in all likelihood, you still wouldn't get it. Let's not have that happen.
     
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    And you extrapolate numbers to compare ppl to the elite class of players, despite the fact those elite players can maintain their effectiveness with increased minutes and increased attention by the defense. That's what makes them elite.

    Sorry you don't get that fact. Keep playing with your stats to artificially prop up your fav players. It's very cute to watch. Stick to football. Your basketball knowledge is very shallow, which is part of the reason you never see me respond to any of your posts in the GARM -- too pedestrian.
     
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    8 of top 12 teams in rebounds per game last season DIDN'T MAKE THE PLAYOFFS.
    You right, rebounding is the most important stat in today's NBA, only rebounds bring you wins. God you're so dumb, but I'm afraid to argue with another forum veteran, defended by the higher ups.
     
    #90 OpenLayup-Why3?, Aug 8, 2015
  11. Mr. Clutch

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    Well no one said rebounding is the most important stat, but if your center gets exhausted trying to get 5, its a problem.

    Judging by your username questioning 3 pointers, you're pretty clueless.

    But keep getting mad tho. You're only going to get madder as you get proven even more wrong.
     
    #91 Mr. Clutch, Aug 8, 2015
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    Why are DMo boosters so relentless and sensitive? They seem really insecure about their guy sometimes and rush to defend him at any hint of a slight, no matter how benign.
     
    #92 TheFreak, Aug 8, 2015
  13. Mr. Clutch

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    Saying he's not a max player is hating
     
    #93 Mr. Clutch, Aug 8, 2015
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    You don't understand the purpose of the stat. If other people, like you, don't understand it and misuse it (eg. unrealistically applying per36 to mean things it doesn't mean) then that's their problem. Not the stat's problem. How many players average 36 minutes (what you started off your argument with) is completely and totally irrelevant. It could be per48 (some sites express it this way) or per 100 possessions. It doesn't matter. It's just a way to compare scoring/rebounding/assisting/etc. rates. It has nothing to do with volume.
     
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    How can anyone read what you say after this?
     
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    Jokes not allowed.
     
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    Capela per 36:

    13 ppg, 14 reb, 3.5 blocks.

    Playoffs: 16, 12, 2.5

    He's 21 years old.

    Trade Howard and give him the max.
     
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    It's pretty crazy. Any time any other PF is mentioned that could help the team, the DMo Knights in shining armor always rush to justify his existence and make sure to point out that he "starts" at PF, while tearing down the other guy. It is a little reminiscent of Lin I guess.
     
    #98 TheFreak, Aug 8, 2015
  19. heypartner

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    You can't compare role players to elite players. How hard is that to understand? That is what Lin fans always did. You must stick to comparing apples to apples...role players to role players. Superstars to Superstars.

    People actually do per 36 to say "Hey, he's a 15/7 guy with increased minutes."
    That is meaningless since (for players who qualify on minutes):

    DMo is 42nd on that 15/7 list for rebounding
    DMo is 45/LAST on that list for scoring.

    See how it means nothing if you use it to say he's a 15/7 guy.
     
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    Cherry-picking who you reply to, it seems?

    Let me repeat myself. No, he didn't play 36 minutes either. But what separates DMo and Harden? Being an Olympian and 6th man of the year on a team that went to the finals. That's elite company, generally reserved for max players.
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    Did you hear that Lin was repressed by Mchale?
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    Because:
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