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Can we stop with the DMo/Jones stats per 36 minutes

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by heypartner, Aug 8, 2015.

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  1. ling ling

    ling ling Member

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    You say stop with the Per 36 minutes Stat if the players don't average 36 minutes. I just showed that Harden is a case for using it.
     
    #61 ling ling, Aug 8, 2015
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    His point is that all DMO needs is minutes.
    Haven´t you heard the latest in CF, D12 is expendable because we have Capela, if he played 36 mins he would average the same numbers as Dwight because all Dwight does is dunk and rebound.
     
    #62 Houston_Rockets, Aug 8, 2015
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    I agree, and also you need to email those dudes at basketball reference and tell them to stop using 'per 100 possessions' stat, because no one actually gets 100 possessions in a game.

    Lets team up and make a new stats revolution.
     
    #63 DonatasFanboy, Aug 8, 2015
  4. Mr. Clutch

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    His stats are nowhere near what Hardens were in OKC.
     
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    That may be true, but per 36 minutes is still a useful Stat.
     
    #65 ling ling, Aug 8, 2015
  6. OpenLayup-Why3?

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    Harden can't defend centers, what's your point?
     
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    I need to constantly remind myself not to get involved with haters. DMO haters are total minority in the forum and elsewhere. Crowd never chanted Jones name, but they did chant DMO quit a lot. Morey never intended to trade DMO, but he couldn't get any takers for Jones. Case and point.
     
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    ?? There are quite a few teams that reach 100 possessions per game. Or are you being sarcastic?
     
    #68 heypartner, Aug 8, 2015
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    Pointing out that Harden is better than DMo is hating now.
     
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    When DMo was forced to guard centers he averaged like 2 rebounds per game.
     
    #70 Mr. Clutch, Aug 8, 2015
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    Sure but you have to apply it correctly. You can't necessarily assume the same or increased production with more minutes.
     
    #71 Mr. Clutch, Aug 8, 2015
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    damn, you are actually r****ded
     
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  13. OpenLayup-Why3?

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    PROVE IT
     
    #73 OpenLayup-Why3?, Aug 8, 2015
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    Harden is a case for what? I'm still not following. Are you saying Harden is a case for every single player in the NBA to ask for more minutes?

    That's the Lin argument: "Only if Lin would get more usage and minutes, he'd be Linsanity again."

    You can't look at the career of a superstar had apply his stat progression to every player. It doesn't work that way. That's the point of this thread. You can't apply minutes to a role player to compare him to superstar/stars. They won't maintain production with a bigger role. Harden was always a blossoming superstar at OKC, that's why they played him 33 mpg against the Spurs in 2012 WCF, because Ginobody and Pops had no answer for him. He simply took over that series -- from the bench.
     
    #74 heypartner, Aug 8, 2015
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    per 100 is a pace stat for the team, that can be applied to a player to normalize player stats based on fast to slow pace by his team. Instead of minutes, it's the possessions of the team that the players stats are normalized to. Do you actually think it's stat they says "100 possessions by the player." What would that even mean?
     
    #75 heypartner, Aug 8, 2015
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    sigh. We aren't hatas. We are proud of DMo and would be more than thrilled to see him improve to All-Star status. He has some special skills. But we don't artificially attempt to put him on that level by using stats like you do. When he gets there, it will be because of increased skills, not increased minutes.

    Do you call everyone who disagrees with you a Hata?
     
    #76 heypartner, Aug 8, 2015
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    Still waiting for you to prove it.
     
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    I almost never used stats to describe DMO. You and couple other 'hatas' constantly post about DMO not being able to rebound. What's your point? So he can't rebound, everyone knows that. But he can do so many things. Are you saying we need to waive DMO? How is bringing up small amount of rebounds every time you talk about DMO is not hating him? Guy can't rebound but he was 2nd best player on 2nd best record in the west. Doesn't it show you that rebounding is not that important when you have skills that DMO has? Of course not, because you are a hater.
     
    #78 OpenLayup-Why3?, Aug 8, 2015
  19. Mr. Clutch

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    You think DMo is the second best player on the team?
     
    #79 Mr. Clutch, Aug 8, 2015
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    ^ you seem really butthurt about DMo's rebounding stats, like Lin fans used to get about his choke jobs
     
    #80 heypartner, Aug 8, 2015
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