Can the post player holding the ball while screen for another player using pivot?

I would think at the very least that'd be a moving pick. The screener has to be set.....but hey they never seemed to call those against the Warriors so what do I know.

 

If you are not in the act of shooting, the same screening rules apply as usual. Do you know the screening rules? You can't surprise a defender by setting a screen. Defender must have some distance to avoid slamming into you.

 

Even if they don't rule it as a screen, they could easily ping the player for an offensive foul. You can't forcibly enter the space of a defender....


I have a feeling that even if the play could magically work, it wouldn't really work anyway. Big guy sets high screen, passer cuts, big guy decks defender and looks to pass (has his own man right on him, making the degree of difficulty higher) - if pass makes it to attacking player, help defence probably already there.
If the cutter can get past the post man IN FRONT of his defender, and far enough in front that the defender could wipe out the trailing defender, then surely the post man would have been better off giving the ball to the cutter instead of waiting to wipe someone out?? If there was no space for the initial cut to score, then surely even less space with a delayed pass??

[ok, I thought this through for far longer than it deserved!!]

 

I like it. If Gs Warriors can jump in front of people at the last second, hold them, put their elbows in their chest and straight up block them like a left tackle, then i don't see how what you described could possibly be an offensive foul.

 

Winner winner.....they called the moving pick violations like nobodies business early in the season. But by the end of the season and into the playoffs they seem to let the Warriors set the most aggegious moving picks I've ever seen. I'd see dwight do them too but he only got away with it a few times. Just watch bogut...he's the most frequent offender of the bunch.

 

I think from a strictly rulebook perspective, a "pivot pick" would only be legal if the pivot has stopped before the contact. E.g., if the defender was already 3 arms lengths away from the cutter. Hitting the defender as part of the pivot would be illegal.

In reality refs suck at all moving pick calls so it hardly matters what's technically legal.

 

Its legal unless you are Dwight Howard.

 

Drawing an extra defender into the post player with the ball doesn't sound like a good idea. There would be a high chance for a turnover.

Also the timing you need to execute such a perfect pivot then a crisp bounce pass thru 2 defenders sounds too complicated.

Better to keep it simple and clear out to let the post player operate and the cutter gets an off ball screen from someone else.

 

It's illegal unless you are Andrew Bogut and Draymond Green

 

Green by far does it the most......

 

I agree about the pivot part of it is kinda silly. However, it is very common to use a big man with the ball as a screener, in a standing position holding the ball high. Walton, Jabbar, Sabonis, Duncan, Yao all did that.

 

That used to be my go-to move! Except, I used my ass as my pivot. I got called for foul every time.

 

Yes. I remember Yao used to do that at the top of the key a lot. I don't recall too many plays with him in the post doing that. I definitely could be wrong though.