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Can Lin develop into a decent spot up shooter?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by AvgJoe, Nov 14, 2012.

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Can Lin develop into a decent spot up shooter?

  1. Yes for sure

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  2. He will improve, but will still rely on ball in hand to be effective

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  3. He will continue shooting it like this

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  1. bongman

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    It's called cap/salary management and not placing all your eggs in one basket. There has been many instances where teams have signed potential players to long term deals to only become busts. If Asik or Lin does not pan out (usually takes 2 years to make this determination), or they suffer career ending injuries, the expiring contract of the 3rd year makes their contracts very attractable to the other team. Once the contract expires, the team would have X amount of money to sign a new player.

    Contract extensions are granted every time to players who has passed or exceeded expectations. You also have to look at the history of Morey. He rarely signs players to more than 3 years.
     
  2. zdrav

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    Exactly. Linsanity-style is not sustainable over the long run, and the team can't be the Lin-Harden show all the time either.

    It's definitely true that if Lin develops a spot-up 3pter, then he'll become a deadly PG.

    We're just worried that that's ALL he's being groomed for. If we could get some assurance that he's going to be more than a Derek Fisher-type PG, then we'd calm down a bit.
     
  3. zdrav

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    Didn't MJ kind of suck at shooting at first too? He was mainly a dunker, right?
     
  4. Allegro

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    Good work. I agree somewhat, though I also disagree.

    This is my main objection. Why waste time with iso-Beard-ball, only to change offenses later? Wouldn't it be more efficient -- not to mention less traumatic -- to go straight to the final offense, and develop our chemistry in that system?

    I strongly disagree that the only way our other players can develop chemistry with Harden is to put a leash on Lin's neck. No matter what happens, Harden will have the ball at least 50 percent of the time; if that is not enough for chemistry, then Harden isn't quite as smart as I think he is.

    No, as far as I can see, the only reason for iso-Beard-ball now is that that is intended to be our final offense, with some adjustments now and then, perhaps. If that is true, our future is not looking good. Because our current offense is ruining both of our starting guards.
     
  5. just a word

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    I think that's a valid thing to request. I don't use twitter much, but why can't someone who does tweet that question to one of the reporters?
     
  6. just a word

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    You're speaking as if any team only runs purely one offense, and I think that's a very narrow view. Teams modifies itself based on who they're up against and who has the hot hand, sometimes they switch it up to put the other team off-guard. But you can't switch it up if you don't have the tools in the first place.

    And the best way to learn something quickly is through immersion; like with language, even if you have a hideous time of it, the fastest way to learn that language is just to dive off the deep end and go to that country and NOT SPEAK your native language. Your brain adjusts and learns that language far faster than you would if you tried learning the other language while still speaking your native language. This is what I mean by brute-force training.

    And once the training is over, it's a much simpler thing to switch between your native language and your new language.
     
  7. rocketsfan4

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    Lin is already a decent spot up shooter. Here's another example of perception not meeting reality. Of course, he shot himself in the foot with that awful airball. But for the knowledgeable fans, don't forget that he hit his previous two threes in the game, and he was coming off the bench cold. Lin was considered by most Knicks fans to be the second or third best distance shooter on the Knicks last year (behind Novak and JR, though JR could get cold). The Rockets management obviously thinks he is a decent enough spot up shooter now (or at least will become one soon) to use him in this role in actual games.

    The more interesting question to me is whether he will become a great shooter. Maybe not Nash or Price, probably the two best PG shooters I have ever seen (at least among key starters--I'm not counting bench specialists), but I have a feeling he's going to move in that direction if he stays healthy. Look at his incredible improvement at the FT line. He was in the seventies at Harvard, got up to 80% last year, and is at 90+% this year.
     
  8. Allegro

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    The small adjustments every team makes are not at all the same as a major change in offensive system. Why go through the latter trauma unnecessarily?

    I've had that experience, yes. But not everyone is capable of learning a second language well. Remember that this is the NBA; a failure will be ruthlessly exploited by other teams. To introduce unnecessary confusion is a very bad idea.

    No, as I said, if we are running iso-Beard-ball now, then that, perhaps with some minor changes once in a while, is likely to be our final offense. If so, our future is grim, as that offense is ruining both of our starting guards.
     
  9. AvgJoe

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    This I tend to agree. It seems his percentage of spot up 3s is actually pretty respectable. When I created this thread, I didn't have that stats. Someone mentioned it was 37% or 38%.
     
  10. Allegro

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    Make that "is likely intended to be our final offense".

    Our coaches may finally realize that iso-Beard-ball is bad for our team.
     
  11. Lucky Charm

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    I guess? :(
    It's just so damn sad this is even a topic.
    Optimistically you can say they're trying to develop other "areas" of his game but realistically it's looking more like he's being reduced to much less than what we know he's capable of.
     
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Coach Sampson said after the Heat game, @<a href="https://twitter.com/jlin7">jlin7</a> knocked on his door, entered &amp; said, "I'm sorry I missed that shot. I'll make the next one."</p>&mdash; ClutchFans.net (@clutchfans) <a href="https://twitter.com/clutchfans/status/268867236708614145" data-datetime="2012-11-15T00:05:19+00:00">November 15, 2012</a></blockquote>

    I sometimes forget why I'm a fan of this kid. And then he goes and does something like this. Reminder noted.
     
  13. stylus8088

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    One thing is fore sure, he's got the right attitude. He's learning and growing and all we can do is be patient with this guy. Great point guards don't bloom overnight.
     
  14. AvgJoe

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    Thata boy~ I don't care how many airballs he's shot, as long as he holds this attitude, this kid will pan out alright.
     
  15. wil55n

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    I think the coaches are seeing things in training which arnt translating into the games just yet.. but they are seeing enough potential and gradual progress to keep walking down the path they are walking down right now. I'm going to give the coaches the benefit of the doubt in this case.
     
  16. roxxy

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    Love the accountability.
     
  17. G Zus Kryst

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    I lik Sampson.........shud b a gud coach.........
     
  18. torocan

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    It's one thing I always like about Lin. He never makes excuses.

    When things are going well, he's the first in line to credit the team.
    When things aren't going well, he's the first to step up and take the blame.

    Does he sometimes ask to take more blame than he deserves? No doubt.

    However, I don't view that as a fault. Lin is just a very well raised young Man who is always looking for ways to get better.

    In an age when there is no shortage of people in the public eye blaming everyone else for their problems, he is a refreshing breath of humility and personal responsibility.
     
  19. zdrav

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    "Beardball"...

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