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Bush Supports Shift of Jobs Overseas

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  1. No Worries

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    Bush Supports Shift of Jobs Overseas
    February 10, 2004
    THE NATION
    Bush Supports Shift of Jobs Overseas

    The loss of work to other countries, while painful in the short term, will enrich the economy eventually, his report to Congress says

    By Warren Vieth and Edwin Chen, Times Staff Writers

    WASHINGTON — The movement of American factory jobs and white-collar work to other countries is part of a positive transformation that will enrich the U.S. economy over time, even if it causes short-term pain and dislocation, the Bush administration said Monday.

    The embrace of foreign outsourcing, an accelerating trend that has contributed to U.S. job losses in recent years and has become an issue in the 2004 elections, is contained in the president's annual report to Congress on the health of the economy.

    "Outsourcing is just a new way of doing international trade," said N. Gregory Mankiw, chairman of Bush's Council of Economic Advisors, which prepared the report. "More things are tradable than were tradable in the past. And that's a good thing."

    The report, which predicts that the nation will reverse a three-year employment slide by creating 2.6 million jobs in 2004, is part of a weeklong effort by the administration to highlight signs that the recovery is picking up speed. Bush's economic stewardship has become a central issue in the presidential campaign, and the White House is eager to demonstrate that his policies are producing results.

    In his message to Congress on Monday, Bush said the economy "is strong and getting stronger," thanks in part to his tax cuts and other economic programs. He said the nation had survived a stock market meltdown, recession, terrorist attacks, corporate scandals and war in Afghanistan and Iraq, and was finally beginning to enjoy "a mounting prosperity that will reach every corner of America."

    The president repeated that message during an afternoon discussion about the economy at SRC Automotive, an engine-rebuilding plant in Springfield, Mo., where he lashed out at lawmakers who oppose making his tax cuts permanent.

    "When they say, 'We're going to repeal Bush's tax cuts,' that means they're going to raise your taxes, and that's wrong. And that's bad economics," he said.

    Democrats who want Bush's job were quick to challenge his claims.

    Sen. John F. Kerry of Massachusetts, the front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination, supports a rollback of Bush's tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans and backs the creation of tax incentives for companies that keep jobs in the United States. However, he supported the North American Free Trade Agreement, which many union members say is responsible for the migration of U.S. jobs, particularly in the auto industry, to Mexico.

    Campaigning Monday in Roanoke, Va., Kerry questioned the credibility of the administration's job-creation forecast.

    "I've got a feeling this report was prepared by the same people who brought us the intelligence on Iraq," Kerry said. "I don't think we need a new report about jobs in America. I think we need a new president who's going to create jobs in America and put Americans back to work."

    In an evening appearance at George Mason University in Fairfax, Va., Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina mocked the Bush administration's economic report.

    Edwards, who also supports repealing tax cuts for the richest Americans and offering incentives to corporations that create new jobs in the United States, said it would come as a "news bulletin" to the American people that the economy was improving and that the outsourcing of jobs was good for America.

    "These people," he said of the Bush administration, "what planet do they live on? They are so out of touch."

    The president's 411-page report contains a detailed diagnosis of the forces the White House says are contributing to America's economic slowdown and a wide-ranging defense of the policies Bush has pursued to combat it.

    It asserts that the last recession actually began in late 2000, before the president took office, instead of March 2001, as certified by the official recession-dating panel of the National Bureau of Economic Research.

    Much of the report repeats the administration's previous economic prescriptions.

    For instance, it says the Bush tax cuts must be made permanent to have their full effect on the economy.

    Social Security also must be restructured to let workers put part of their retirement funds in private accounts, the report argues. Doing so could add nearly $5 trillion to the national debt by 2036, the president's advisors note, but the additional borrowing would be repaid 20 years later and the program's long-term health would be more secure.

    The report devotes an entire chapter to an issue that has become increasingly troublesome for the administration: the loss of 2.8 million manufacturing jobs since Bush took office, and critics' claims that his trade policies are partly to blame.

    His advisors acknowledge that international trade and foreign outsourcing have contributed to the job slump. But the report argues that technological progress and rising productivity — the ability to produce more goods with fewer workers — have played a bigger role than the flight of production to China and other low-wage countries.

    Although trade expansion inevitably hurts some domestic workers, the benefits eventually will outweigh the costs as Americans are able to buy cheaper goods and services and as new jobs are created in growing sectors of the economy, the report said.

    The president's report endorses the relatively new phenomenon of outsourcing high-end, white-collar work to India and other countries, a trend that has stirred concern within such affected occupations as computer programming and medical diagnostics.

    "Maybe we will outsource a few radiologists," Mankiw told reporters. "What does that mean? Well, maybe the next generation of doctors will train fewer radiologists and will train more general practitioners or surgeons…. Maybe we've learned that we don't have a comparative advantage in radiologists."

    Government should try to salve the short-term disruption by helping displaced workers obtain the training they need to enter new fields, such as healthcare, Mankiw said, not by erecting protectionist barriers on behalf of vulnerable industries or professions. "The market is the best determinant of where the jobs should be," he said.

    Bush's quick visit to Missouri — his 15th to a state considered a critical election battleground — was the first of several events this week intended to underscore recent economic gains. Although U.S. job creation remains relatively sluggish, the nation's unemployment rate fell from 6.4% in June to 5.6% in January, and the economy grew at the fastest pace in 20 years during the last half of 2003.

    The format of his visit to SRC Automotive — one that he particularly likes — involved several employees and local business owners sharing the stage with the president to discuss their perspectives on the economy, with Bush elaborating on their stories to emphasize particular aspects of his economic program.

    Today, Bush is scheduled to meet with economic leaders at the White House. On Thursday, he goes to Pennsylvania's capital, Harrisburg — in another swing state that he has already visited more than two dozen times since becoming president.

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    Vieth reported from Washington and Chen from Springfield. Times staff writers Scott Martelle in Norfolk, Va., and Maria L. La Ganga in Roanoke, Va., contributed to this report.
     
  2. Rocketman95

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    Why does George Bush hate American workers?
     
  3. No Worries

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    Karl Rove tells him too.
     
  4. KingCheetah

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    Another brilliant campaign year policy by the Bush team.
     
  5. No Worries

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    This article is really stunning is what it represents. Either GWB believes he can say just about anything he wants wrt the economy without affecting his re-election chances. Or GWB is so out of touch that he has absolutely no idea how this issue will play out with the electorate.

    Maybe he realizes that no matter how well the economy does he will still likely have a net negative job growth record come this November. Given that his economic program performance is too weak to emphasize, he will concentrate solely on his war on terrorism, wrap himself in the American flag, spend $250 million in the swing states, and hope for the best
     
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    OK, we don't have a comparative advantage in computers or medicine. I guess the current generation of programmers and radiologists can flip burgers to put the future generation through college or med school.

    And does "a few" mean 3 million jobs?

    http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.02/india_pr.html
     
  7. AGBee

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    If we are to retrain our work force to move on from current knowledge based industries (as happened with textiles, auto manufacturing, etc. in the past), where do we go next? Do we all become consultants, politicians, and CEO's - the only jobs that seem be be outsource-proof?

    Will the government subsidize out of work programmers and doctors since they are no longer competitive in the global market? Or does that only apply to farmers?
     
  8. Woofer

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    Well the hoi polloi work as busboys, waitresses, gardeners, wait we're giving those jobs to illegal legal immigrants...

    Then we'll have the upper class of doctors, lawyers, politicians, executives and creative types espoused in that Wired article reaping all the rewards with no taxes.

    Also, department of defense work.


    :)
     
  9. glynch

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    Well there just starting to outsoucrce legal jobs to India. I read an article a couple of weeks ago that said they estimate that by 2015 500, 000 lawyer jobs will be outsourced. Paper work can be done anywhere. They can cross train Indian lawyers who are trained in the common law to do research and paper work. A senior partner at a big law firm said the partners could keep more profits.

    See the link for West Publishing who is already doing it for legal case.summaries that appear in law books

    link
     
  10. Woofer

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    Technically it's been agribusiness, not family farmers that have been getting the lion's share of the subsidies. See the sugar industry for the textbook case. Either consumers are being reamed by the American sugar industry, or sugar is a critical defense industry.
     
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    I was considering going into patent law, but bejesus, there's no point. Can't compete with the Indian standard of living costs.
     
  12. Mr. Clutch

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    This is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. Nice title on that article. What media bias?

    Bush supports free trade. Apparently, the Democrats have completely abandoned it.

    Anyone want to speculate on what happens when we have a protectionist economy?
     
  13. SamFisher

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    Actually, we do have a protectionist economy in certain respects(agricultural subsidies, the recently demised steel tariffs, and all sorts of other non tariff barriers).

    But anyway, the problem is that hte President has the balls to go out and say he is in favor of creating jobs when he's really not. To him, the bottom line is and always has been most important; that means outsourcing, downsizing, and layoffs. He doesn't give a damn how many people get to share in GDP growth because, in one of his favorite canned lines: "A rising tide lifts all boats". So far it hasn't. That's just acknowledging reality.

    BTW, This article is from The Nation, it's a left wing magazine and always has been, and does not pretend to be otherwise. For you to be complaining about apocryphal " media bias" from the Nation is like me whining about Christian Coalition treating Democrats unfairly.
     
  14. nyquil82

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    actually this is genius, that is, if he plans to invade India in his next term, i believe they have these double yu em deez things.
     
  15. El_Conquistador

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    You mean, creating an marketplace in which skills are utilized efficiently, labor costs are streamlined, and profit is maximized? Good lord, this is horrible! If this keeps up, companies could actually make a profit and be able to grow, expand, and raise salaries! This could lead to a rise in the stock market! And more jobs! THE HORROR
     
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    No Wories, remember when you said that when liberals use left-wing sources to site "facts" they should be called on it....

    If you think it's not legitimate for conservatives to use conservative sources, you have to be fair and not use liberal sources. Otherwise, how can anyone take your arguements seriously?
     
  17. Mr. Clutch

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    I can assure you that Bush supports creating jobs. So far it hasn't, but I believe it will.

    That article appeared in the LA Times. Click on it.
     
  18. ima_drummer2k

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    I'm telling you, one of these mornings I'm going to click on this forum to find a thread title of "Bush Supports Killing Puppies"...
     
  19. SamFisher

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    Really? Then why is his record on job creation so dismal?

    Mitch Daniels, former director of the Whitehouse Office of Management and Budget (OMB), assessing the first round of Bush tax cuts “The tax cut will help create 800,000 jobs by the end of 2002,”

    Jobs lost in 2002: 1,400,000 (BLS)

    So anyway, please explain to me how and why a company is going to expand its US operations after downsizing and how and why it hasn't happened yet and how and why over 3 million jobs have been lost and how and why we were able to achieve 8% GDP growth in Q3 that halved in Q4 and result in little to no change to the employment situation.

    TY, SF
     
  20. nyquil82

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    only if theres intelligence that states that those puppies could eventually grow up and bite people. its a pre-emptive strike, but a post-emptive abortion.
     

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